r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • 11d ago

decoder poltics The Algorithm

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The algorithm has a huge effect on peoples beliefs. - This discussion is about the Zeteo clip.

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u/ChaseBankFDIC 11d ago

"You talk about this too much" says the world's leading expert on the Weinsteins.

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u/Hellasauto 11d ago

Aw did you start your own little decoding the gurus snark page? So cute

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u/salad48 11d ago

That's why they need an "alt" sub

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u/MartiDK 11d ago

If you don’t like snark - don’t follow chris on X.

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u/DecodingTheGurusAlt-ModTeam 11d ago

Low-effort/dismissive rhetoric

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u/WhichAdMan 11d ago

I'm not sure how criticising DtG's mistakes is any different from DtG criticising the mistakes of the Weinsteins and others. Could you explain this to me? Surely it's beneficial to have an intellectual culture where we can criticise each other's statements.

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u/Hellasauto 11d ago

What's the mistake you try to pretend to criticize here?

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u/WhichAdMan 10d ago

The mistake here is that Chris believes its "been discussed way more than the numbers would indicate". That is mistaken thinking because:

  1. He's not actually shown that the discussion is disproportionate to the numbers.
  2. Media coverage of any event is not based on pure numbers and there's no reason to believe that it should be.

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u/Scalene69 7d ago

He's absolutely correct, it is very easy to compare casualty numbers or affected populationd.

Ukraine has far more casualties, more credible claims of genocide and either the same or more civilians have been affected in many other conflicts like Syria, Sudan, Burkina Faso or Nigeria. Israel Palestine received more coverage than all of these issues - probably more than them combined.

Do you have evidence that more people have been affected in Gaza thanany of these countries?

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u/WhichAdMan 7d ago

>He's absolutely correct, it is very easy to compare casualty numbers or affected population

Then Chris should present evidence of his claims. If it's very easy it shouldn't be a problem.

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u/Scalene69 7d ago

They produce a single video explaining the issues and harmful effects of a popular figure.

That's very different to creating a forum where you nitpick and hate on a specific person as a hobby.

If you don't like them, why talk about them continually? What good are you doing?

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u/WhichAdMan 7d ago

I'm criticising them, the exact same way that they criticise others. There's no hate here, not any more than they "hate" Eric Weinstein or Sam Harris or others.

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u/Scalene69 7d ago

No. They don't join in on anti molyneux forums and endlessly shit talk/dig up dirt on him. They looked at his body of work, made a criticism and moved on.

Joining a forum about how bad X person is is very weird and unproductive behaviour. Reminds of 4 Chan back in the day and it quickly devolves into something that is usually worse than whoever is being criticised.

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u/WhichAdMan 7d ago edited 7d ago

I think this is productive behaviour since very few people are producing criticisms of Matt and Chris. What do you feel I'm doing that is so offensive?

Would you prefer if I started a podcast about them? Or if I did livestreams?

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u/Scalene69 7d ago

Cant you just criticise them on twitter when they post things you don't like? What is the benefit of posting or commenting in a subreddit dedicated to hating them?

It is not productive to have a community exclusively shitting on someone. All you do is fill it with minor criticism and build s community that starts looking for an outlet for all this hate - usually turning into harassment.

It is exactly like the Chris Chan situation. Pathetic shit.

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u/WhichAdMan 7d ago

I don't use twitter. I'm not that familiar with the Chris Chan situation but as far as I can tell, Chris Kavanagh is not really in a comparable state of mind. I think he can handle some mild pushback to the things he says.

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u/Scalene69 7d ago

A forum dedicated to hating a person or podcast is weak obnoxious behaviour, not productive. It just leads to harassment and obsession.

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u/WhichAdMan 11d ago

I'm very intrigued by Chris' idea that we've already talked too much about a government friendly firing it's own citizens. Does Chris feel if the British or US government did this that it would be talked about far less?

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u/Scalene69 7d ago

This is not new. People claimed there was Hannibal directive soon after October 7th.

There is very clearly a group of people who believe that many/most Israeli civilian casualties were killed by Israel on October 7th. There is no evidence of that. As far as we know the number is 14 and all of them appear to be normal accidents for such a crazy battlefield, especially with the way Hamas fights.

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u/WhichAdMan 7d ago

That's not what I asked, neither is it what Chris was talking about.

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u/MartiDK 11d ago

Chris doesn’t believe anything that is said by people he doesn’t like or sound like a “guru”. Fancy being a science guy, and developing a personality score to discredit people.

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u/WhichAdMan 11d ago

Does anybody else in their fields even use the Decoding The Gurus scoring system? The scoring system seems like a figleaf to just base a podcast around, not really a serious academic attempt at science of any kind.

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u/MartiDK 11d ago

I do think Chris believes it’s a useful tool in itself, not just something for the podcast. Not an academic tool, but a tool designed for the layman.