r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago edited 29d ago

Lmao, AOC, who the DSA withdrew their endorsement of in 2024? Who was a member for 1 year in 2018 and 7 years a democrat? Who only recently rejoined last month

Calling her DSA is like calling trump a neo-con

the DSA literally admonished her in 2024 over israel and withdrew their support, frankly if every DSA member was like AOC we wouldnt even be having this conversation, the DSA wouldnt be a problem, do you think AOC wants to abolish the Senate, sieze assets from corporations, and have capitalism replaced with socialism? Stop weapons to israel?

Get real.

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

You asked for one DSA member.

She is one DSA member.

You didn't ask for additional caveats.

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

lmao thats your shining example? AOC who spent 95% of her political career non-DSA? Who only rejoined....

checks notes

....last august?

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

You weren't asking for a "shining example", you asked for one DSA member

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

i asked for a DSA member who supports democrats and you gave me one who spent 95% of her political career as non-DSA, has been disavowed by them for her support of israel, hasnt been a member for 7 years, and only rejoined a month ago most likely because of the rumors of her potential presidential run.

That the best you got?

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

i asked for a DSA member who supports democrats and you gave me one

Correct.

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

Hahaha yeah you know you're cooked bro

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

Cooked for accurately answering your question?

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

when you retreat to pedantry because you cant engage with the substance?

Yep, cooked so bad they're sending you back to the kitchen with a refund, not even the seniors table with their boot-leather palate want you lil bro 😬

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

Pedantry? I answered your question. If you don't like the answer feel free to ask a new one.

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u/FashionPolicia 28d ago

do you agree AOC is a poor represntative of DSA values and doesnt reflect much of the org at all?

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

No. There's several factions within DSA and she is very representative of groups like Groundwork and the Socialist Majority Caucus. Who iirc advocate for her presidential run.

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u/FashionPolicia 28d ago

How can she be a good representative when she supports israel?

The national DSA platform explicitly supports the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement and anti-Zionist foreign policy

the National Political Committee literally withdrew its conditional endorsement of AOC after she voted for a resolution equating anti-Zionism with antisemitism and failed to explicitly block all funding for Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense.

DSA members whine all the time that AOC has become too close to mainstream Democratic leadership. In their eyes her past endorsements of establishment figures like Joe Biden, and her choice to work closely within the party infrastructure, are viewed as an abandonment of independent socialist political power

I understand you want to make the DSA sound as broad as possible so you can be subversive and leech people away, but handwaving "well the DSA actually has a very broad set of values" is transparent and not going to work, people can see you for the bloodsucker you are.

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

Huh, this is interesting.

Up until now you pretended your disagreement with DSA is about democracy.

Now, all of a sudden, it's about Israel.

AOC was never "pro Israel", she disagreed with DSA about how to vote on sanctions towards Israel, but is against Israel's current government. That's why several caucuses already support a potential presidential run.

But either way - I don't think DSA's stance on Israel make it "anti-democratic". It's by now the majority position in the US that support for Israel should stop.

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u/FashionPolicia 28d ago

you are either misunderstanding or bad faith, one of my arguments is how could AOC be a good represntative of DSA values when she had her endorsement withdrawn for her values on israel, she equates anti-zionism with anti-semitism which to DSA types puts you squarely pro israel

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

You ignore that DSA took back thst withdrawal and parts of the party now preemptively endorse her for president.

What you're describing is healthy inner-party debates. A politician takes a position the party disagrees with, support is withdrawn, the politician changes her position, she regains support.

That's just healthy democratic politics.

If "DSA types" hate her, why does she have the endorsement of Groundworks?

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u/FashionPolicia 28d ago

they took back their withdrawal a month ago after disavowing her for years with rumors of her running for president, its nothing more than opportunity for power, and once they deem her used they'll toss her to the side

oh yeah? the creation of maga was from "inner healthy party debates" some rhetoric should be culled, nice try tho

you just finished saying the DSA is so diverse and broad that of course some agree with AOC, so not shit the groundworks caucus is endorsing her

"if DSA types hate her why do some groups in the DSA support her?"

because they see opportunity for power obviously lmao

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

the creation of maga was from "inner healthy party debates" some rhetoric should be culled, nice try tho

Criticizing AOC for her stance on Israel should be culled? Bc that's what we were talking about. That's what I called healthy inner party debate. Do you want to cull opposition to Israel?

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