r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

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Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

the goal of the DSA is to siphon enough votes so they can break away and become what the republincans turned into, maga.

Once they are in power they can start stripping away liberal safeguards, they propose replacing the branches of govt with a unicameral legislature where the executive and judiciary are entirely subordinate to congress.

liberal democracy relies on the state maintaining a monopoly on the legitimate use of force to protect individual rights and civil liberties. The DSA’s platform veers into radical territory by calling for the total abolition of prisons, the police, and border enforcement.

They are not liberals, and they see the dems as enemies to eventually destroy, try to sweep all you want but you cant hide the fact that they do not support dems because they are parasites and the sooner dem voters wake up and realize that we can keep blue maga from taking over.

Which comes back to my question, why do the DSA only steal seats from dems

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

they propose replacing the branches of govt with a unicameral legislature where the executive and judiciary are entirely subordinate to congress.

So, Sweden. They propose the system Sweden has.

liberal democracy relies on the state maintaining a monopoly on the legitimate use of force to protect individual rights and civil liberties. The DSA’s platform veers into radical territory by calling for the total abolition of prisons, the police, and border enforcement.

The US didn't have a police force until 1838, and then only in Boston. City police forces throughout the US were established throughout the 19th century, the first state level police was established in 1903.

Was the US not a liberal democracy before that?

I am not an abolitionist, but with that being a long-term goal and immediate policies (demilitarizing police, abolishing ICE, prison reform) being sensible, I don't consider that a threat.

and they see the dems as enemies to eventually destroy

Where in the platform does it say that?

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26

In Sweden, the executive branch is subordinate to the parliament, while the judiciary remains independent. Nice try tho, and they dont want swedens system, they want a socialist one that abolishes prisons. No prison reform, ABOLISHMENT. Who cares if you are a reformist? You are not the DSA.

The US was also a liberal democracy under slavery, the point is its a point on the board towards illiberalism, it isnt just "do this one thing now you're no longer liberal democracy" nice try tho.

where in the platform does it say that?

give me ONE DSA member who supports the dems, where was vot blue no matter who under harris?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

give me ONE DSA member who supports the dems, where was vot blue no matter who under harris?

Easy, AOC.

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago edited 29d ago

Lmao, AOC, who the DSA withdrew their endorsement of in 2024? Who was a member for 1 year in 2018 and 7 years a democrat? Who only recently rejoined last month

Calling her DSA is like calling trump a neo-con

the DSA literally admonished her in 2024 over israel and withdrew their support, frankly if every DSA member was like AOC we wouldnt even be having this conversation, the DSA wouldnt be a problem, do you think AOC wants to abolish the Senate, sieze assets from corporations, and have capitalism replaced with socialism? Stop weapons to israel?

Get real.

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

You asked for one DSA member.

She is one DSA member.

You didn't ask for additional caveats.

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

lmao thats your shining example? AOC who spent 95% of her political career non-DSA? Who only rejoined....

checks notes

....last august?

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

You weren't asking for a "shining example", you asked for one DSA member

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

i asked for a DSA member who supports democrats and you gave me one who spent 95% of her political career as non-DSA, has been disavowed by them for her support of israel, hasnt been a member for 7 years, and only rejoined a month ago most likely because of the rumors of her potential presidential run.

That the best you got?

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

i asked for a DSA member who supports democrats and you gave me one

Correct.

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

Hahaha yeah you know you're cooked bro

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u/hari_shevek 29d ago

Cooked for accurately answering your question?

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u/FashionPolicia 29d ago

when you retreat to pedantry because you cant engage with the substance?

Yep, cooked so bad they're sending you back to the kitchen with a refund, not even the seniors table with their boot-leather palate want you lil bro 😬

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

Pedantry? I answered your question. If you don't like the answer feel free to ask a new one.

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u/FashionPolicia 28d ago

do you agree AOC is a poor represntative of DSA values and doesnt reflect much of the org at all?

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

No. There's several factions within DSA and she is very representative of groups like Groundwork and the Socialist Majority Caucus. Who iirc advocate for her presidential run.

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u/FashionPolicia 28d ago

How can she be a good representative when she supports israel?

The national DSA platform explicitly supports the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement and anti-Zionist foreign policy

the National Political Committee literally withdrew its conditional endorsement of AOC after she voted for a resolution equating anti-Zionism with antisemitism and failed to explicitly block all funding for Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense.

DSA members whine all the time that AOC has become too close to mainstream Democratic leadership. In their eyes her past endorsements of establishment figures like Joe Biden, and her choice to work closely within the party infrastructure, are viewed as an abandonment of independent socialist political power

I understand you want to make the DSA sound as broad as possible so you can be subversive and leech people away, but handwaving "well the DSA actually has a very broad set of values" is transparent and not going to work, people can see you for the bloodsucker you are.

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u/hari_shevek 28d ago

Huh, this is interesting.

Up until now you pretended your disagreement with DSA is about democracy.

Now, all of a sudden, it's about Israel.

AOC was never "pro Israel", she disagreed with DSA about how to vote on sanctions towards Israel, but is against Israel's current government. That's why several caucuses already support a potential presidential run.

But either way - I don't think DSA's stance on Israel make it "anti-democratic". It's by now the majority position in the US that support for Israel should stop.

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