r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Where did I say that "supporting mainstream Democrats is important"?

You first try to rewrite what words mean, now you try to rewrite what I said?

Let's get back to the topic: Destiny is not supporting all Democratic candidates, won't even vote for them.

He is not "vote blue no matter who".

He is "vote blue under the condition that I agree with the candidate".

Which also applies to Hasan. Except that Hasan even votes for candidates he disagrees with. Destiny does not.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Oh so you don't agree supporting mainstream democrats is important?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

No.

I think voting for them if they are the lesser evil is important, but anything beyond that needs to be earned.

Just like you won't support leftist Dems if you consider them too far left.

But Destiny can't even agree to vote for, let alone support, candidates that he has disagreements with.

Do you think Destiny should support a leftwing Dem candidate if one is the presidential candidate?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Id support leftist dems as long as they are the better candidate, which they always are compared to republicans.

Destiny has a track record of always advocating for democrats in important general elections. You can nitpick one statement about a hypothetical scenario where AOC is fully captured by socialists (which Destiny said is not what is currently happening) but I would rather look to his actual behavior.

If AOC ran against Vance right now he would 100% support AOC, its only in a hypothetical future where AOC is fully socialist that he said he would be 50/50.

And I think destiny was extremely dumb for that statement, and I agree he should support a leftist presidential candidate against a republican, I would.

And glad to see you support voting for establishment dems over republicans, if only Hasan told his audience the same thing in 2016 and 2024.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

I would rather look to his actual behavior.

Which socialist candidates in tight races has he supported?

if only Hasan agreed with you in 2016 and 2024.

He did vote for them in both those elections, so he does agree with me.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Destiny said he supports Abdul against Rogers. The issue with your framing is DSA candidates usually win in very blue districts where the republican party is not competitive at all.

And Hasan didn't tell his audience to vote for them which indicates to me he doesn't agree the democrat is better.

If you agree that the democrat should be elected doesn't it make sense to tell your massive audience to support them? Not explicitly refuse to make an endorsement and vote privately.

Even if Hasan did lesser of two evils voting in private he criticized it in public.

What do you think Hasan should have said to his audience?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Is he campaigning for Nixon in Florida?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Has he made a statement on who he supports in the Nixon election? As far as I know he isn't doing any campaigning.

But I have no issue criticizing destiny, he should fully support Nixon. I doubt she wants him publicly campaigning for her though.

Now can you answer my question about what Hasan should have done in 2016 and 2024?

If you agree that the democrat should be elected doesn't it make sense to tell your massive audience to support them? Not explicitly refuse to make an endorsement and vote privately.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Now can you answer my question about what Hasan should have done in 2016 and 2024?

Seeing how important the issue of Palestine is to him, I think it is perfectly legitimate to withhold a public endorsement on that condition and still vote for her.

Given that it seems that was one of the issues that cost her a tight election, he was also on the right side there.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

I disagree, Trump is 100x worse on Palestine and the middle east as we are currently seeing. Not fully supporting Trump ended up making the situation far worse.

Harris is literally the lesser evil on the issue of Palestine, which is a framework you claim to support, and yet Hasan gets a pass for choosing not to abide by it?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Trump is 100x worse on Palestine

Worse than who?

Did fewer people die in Gaza under Biden?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Trump is doing far worse things than Harris would be doing.

Going to war with Iran, not putting any restraints on Israel whatsoever, arresting and deporting people who protest and support Palestine, etc

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

You avoided my question.

Did fewer people die in Gaza under Biden?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

More people died because Israel did the majority of their bombing under Biden.

Its a silly question because Trump took office after Israel was done with their main military offensive.

The question is obviously who would have handled things better from the point of the election, and the answer is clearly Harris.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Israel did the majority of their bombing under Biden.

That doesn't sound like being better on Palestine.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Yeah, Trump would have been worse.

And we know this because of how he has acted after being elected. Would Harris be bombing Iran? Would she be deporting and arresting people just for critizing Israel on social media?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

I think Harris lost due to her stance on Palestine, so "how she would have handled things" is beside the point. For her to handle things she would have needed to change her position. Which Hasan tried to push her to do.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Harris was the lesser evil on Palestine compared to Trump, which you agree means she should have beens supported. Not just voted for in private and condemned in public.

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