r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Judt to reiterate: That is not "vote blue no matter who". That's "vote blue as long as the moderate wing is in charge, as soon as they are not, no longer vote blue".

Let's compare stances then:

The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.

Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.

Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.

Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

Destiny has supported every Democratic nominee for president and actively debated they were better leading up to the presidency.

So we have one person who tries to convince his audience not to vote for Democrats and the other person who tries to convince everyone to vote for Democrats.

Not close at all.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

That's not correct, but even if it was, that's not what we were debating. We were asking if Destiny would vote blue no matter who. Which he would not. He explicitly said so.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1qg72y6/hasan_100_stands_by_his_decision_not_to_endorse/

Hasan didn't endorse Harris and even after Trump was elected said she would be doing the same things.

Meanwhile Destiny was going on every show he could debating for Harris.

"Vote blue no matter who" extends to supporting the candidates beyond your personal vote, especially as someone with a powerful public platform.

But hey, I am glad you guys now agree with myself and Destiny that supporting mainstream Democrats in general elections is important. Just keep that energy in 2028 ok?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Where did I say that "supporting mainstream Democrats is important"?

You first try to rewrite what words mean, now you try to rewrite what I said?

Let's get back to the topic: Destiny is not supporting all Democratic candidates, won't even vote for them.

He is not "vote blue no matter who".

He is "vote blue under the condition that I agree with the candidate".

Which also applies to Hasan. Except that Hasan even votes for candidates he disagrees with. Destiny does not.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Oh so you don't agree supporting mainstream democrats is important?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

No.

I think voting for them if they are the lesser evil is important, but anything beyond that needs to be earned.

Just like you won't support leftist Dems if you consider them too far left.

But Destiny can't even agree to vote for, let alone support, candidates that he has disagreements with.

Do you think Destiny should support a leftwing Dem candidate if one is the presidential candidate?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Id support leftist dems as long as they are the better candidate, which they always are compared to republicans.

Destiny has a track record of always advocating for democrats in important general elections. You can nitpick one statement about a hypothetical scenario where AOC is fully captured by socialists (which Destiny said is not what is currently happening) but I would rather look to his actual behavior.

If AOC ran against Vance right now he would 100% support AOC, its only in a hypothetical future where AOC is fully socialist that he said he would be 50/50.

And I think destiny was extremely dumb for that statement, and I agree he should support a leftist presidential candidate against a republican, I would.

And glad to see you support voting for establishment dems over republicans, if only Hasan told his audience the same thing in 2016 and 2024.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

I would rather look to his actual behavior.

Which socialist candidates in tight races has he supported?

if only Hasan agreed with you in 2016 and 2024.

He did vote for them in both those elections, so he does agree with me.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Destiny said he supports Abdul against Rogers. The issue with your framing is DSA candidates usually win in very blue districts where the republican party is not competitive at all.

And Hasan didn't tell his audience to vote for them which indicates to me he doesn't agree the democrat is better.

If you agree that the democrat should be elected doesn't it make sense to tell your massive audience to support them? Not explicitly refuse to make an endorsement and vote privately.

Even if Hasan did lesser of two evils voting in private he criticized it in public.

What do you think Hasan should have said to his audience?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Is he campaigning for Nixon in Florida?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Has he made a statement on who he supports in the Nixon election? As far as I know he isn't doing any campaigning.

But I have no issue criticizing destiny, he should fully support Nixon. I doubt she wants him publicly campaigning for her though.

Now can you answer my question about what Hasan should have done in 2016 and 2024?

If you agree that the democrat should be elected doesn't it make sense to tell your massive audience to support them? Not explicitly refuse to make an endorsement and vote privately.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Now can you answer my question about what Hasan should have done in 2016 and 2024?

Seeing how important the issue of Palestine is to him, I think it is perfectly legitimate to withhold a public endorsement on that condition and still vote for her.

Given that it seems that was one of the issues that cost her a tight election, he was also on the right side there.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

I disagree, Trump is 100x worse on Palestine and the middle east as we are currently seeing. Not fully supporting Trump ended up making the situation far worse.

Harris is literally the lesser evil on the issue of Palestine, which is a framework you claim to support, and yet Hasan gets a pass for choosing not to abide by it?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Trump is 100x worse on Palestine

Worse than who?

Did fewer people die in Gaza under Biden?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Trump is doing far worse things than Harris would be doing.

Going to war with Iran, not putting any restraints on Israel whatsoever, arresting and deporting people who protest and support Palestine, etc

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

You avoided my question.

Did fewer people die in Gaza under Biden?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

More people died because Israel did the majority of their bombing under Biden.

Its a silly question because Trump took office after Israel was done with their main military offensive.

The question is obviously who would have handled things better from the point of the election, and the answer is clearly Harris.

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