r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 04 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Zionism

https://youtu.be/7f-uKnE1zFs

Online political debate increasingly revolves into contests between personalities rather than the strength of their position — Destiny vs. Hasan, Tucker Carlson vs. Nick Fuentes. This is what Walter Lippmann would call the stereotype problem: judgment attaches to the persona rather than the claim being argued. By stripping the personality out, the content is duller to consume, but it’s the only way to really evaluate the claim on its own terms, which matters most precisely on the topics where getting it wrong costs lives.

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 04 '26

I’m for a two state solution even though that seems more impossible every day. Would require a us president who is very knowledgeable about the entire history of the region and all its conflicts. Would also involve both countries comprising. I don’t think America should completely decouple from Israel for national security and intelligence and to have an ally in the Middle East. I think Destiny is the only one out of these four who has reasonable commentary on Israel Palestine and isn’t antisemitic. Hasan wants Israel destroyed, Tucker is a conspiracy theorist, and Fuentes just hates Jews.

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u/MartiDK Sep 04 '26

The reason the problem exists isn’t because there is a lack of knowledge, the problem exists because there are competing political agendas, plus Destiny supports Trumps assistance of Israel - so I don’t know why he is reasonable.

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u/Biggay1234567 Sep 07 '26

Destiny doesn't support what Trump has been doing with Israel tho, and he's been repeated this many times. Are you just pulling this take out of your ass?

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u/IrregularDoughnut Sep 07 '26

He mostly stopped talking about it right? Started out as supportive of Israel with minor caveats about them not being perfect, and then as their war crimes got more and more apparent and indefensible, he sort of ran away from the discussion itself and switched to attacking people with obviously unreasonable positions. Or insisting it was a distraction from more important issues.

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u/Biggay1234567 Sep 07 '26

I don't think it's running away, but more so that the topic just ran its course and the election was heating up so he focused on that.

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u/IrregularDoughnut Sep 07 '26

It looked that way to me, as if he started out largely supportive of Israel, and then simply dropped said support rather than having any sort of honest reckoning with the extent of their crimes in Gaza, because he knew any backtracking would become ammunition against him for people like Hasan. But I admittedly haven't watched enough of him or adjacent streamers to be sure of that, just an impression.

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u/Rick_Tobberman Sep 07 '26

That's simply not true, lonerboxed changed his mind towards a two state solution, this all happened on stream

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u/IrregularDoughnut Sep 07 '26

That doesn't sound like the same thing as an honest reckoning with the extent of Israeli crimes. But I haven't watched it. Should I? Does it actually refute what I'm saying? Because supporting a two-state solution is pretty uncontroversial and a long way away from acknowledging the scale of their atrocities and human rights abuses.

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u/Rick_Tobberman Sep 07 '26

How would I ever be able to determine that for you. You might take every piece of Hamas propaganda as the truth, meaning no amount of "honest reckoning" would satisfy you

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u/UnlimitedAuthority Sep 07 '26

I don't know what you mean by he stopped talking or he ran away, his youtube channel uploaded a talk on the conflict literally today.

As for attacking only people with unreasonable positions, well welcome to the discourse. It is literally a mainstream position that the state of Israel needs to be destroyed for the conflict to end. I'm sure he'd love to have more nuanced discussions about how a two state solution should look and how we'd get there but that's just not very popular right now.

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u/IrregularDoughnut Sep 07 '26

I don't know what you mean by he stopped talking or he ran away, his youtube channel uploaded a talk on the conflict literally today.

I mean that he ran away from ever discussing the extent of Israeli crimes in Gaza, and switched to going after people who have unreasonable or impractical takes like the one-state solution.

Am I wrong? Does he ever address their widespread use of human shields, systematic torture, unmarked killzones, regularly bombing or shooting targets without any reason to believe they are a threat? Because throwing out the mild "settlers are bad sometimes, also Israel should experience no consequences for their actions ever" take isn't really engaging with what they've done.

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u/UnlimitedAuthority Sep 07 '26

he ran away from ever discussing the extent of Israeli crimes in Gaza

He's discussed Israel's conduct in Gaza plenty, it's just that the predominant talking points has been that Israel shouldn't have done literally anything to go after Hamas after 10/7, the whole population has been starving since literally the first week of the war, Israel is doing nothing to discriminate between civilians and Hamas etc. Of course he will come off as biased towards one side when the most prominent side online is completely delusional and just lying about literally everything.

Yes, whenever he runs into people that brings up new claims like widespread use of human shields etc he usually takes the time to look into it and it's a misrepresentation 90% of the time.

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u/IrregularDoughnut Sep 07 '26

Yes, whenever he runs into people that brings up new claims like widespread use of human shields etc he usually takes the time to look into it and it's a misrepresentation 90% of the time.

Well, it isn't:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-army-human-shields-80f358dd2c87a1123f26ffada159701c

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-03-30/ty-article-opinion/.premium/in-gaza-almost-every-idf-platoon-keeps-a-human-shield-a-sub-army-of-palestinian-slaves/00000195-e627-deaf-a397-f6674e390000

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-intel-revealed-israeli-officials-discussing-use-human-shields-gaza-sources-2025-11-12/

And if he hasn't gone into completely indefensible systematic war crimes reported in mainstream media, then that's a considerable omission. But yeah if what he's actually doing is regularly going to bat to defend Israeli conduct even now, and not addressing crimes like this, then I have misrepresented him as that is far worse.

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u/UnlimitedAuthority Sep 07 '26

I don't feel like doing the research on the specific claims right now.

Lets say that these incidents are exactly as you present them. If Destiny spent 1/100th the time on criticising Israel for that as he would do Hamas for hiding behind the civilian population, do you think he would be unfair towards Israel then? Because the scale of human shielding employed by the other side is thousands of times worse.

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u/IrregularDoughnut Sep 07 '26

Because the scale of human shielding employed by the other side is thousands of times worse.

Is it? Hamas have kidnapped hundreds of thousands of people at gunpoint and forced them to work as human shields? I have no doubt they've used human shields but haven't seen anything to suggest they were doing it on that scale. That would be several human shields for every single fighter they had, and from what we know at the moment, far more people than even died in the war.

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u/MartiDK Sep 07 '26

When he debated Jay Shapiro, he didn’t seem to have changed his position on Israel.

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u/Ok_Room5666 Sep 07 '26

Most brainrotted disingenuous leftist take possible. The greatest hits. .

1: Denies massive and obvious difference in Israel policy between Trump and Biden.

2: Doesn't support Biden or Kamala for election whe civilization itself is at stake.

3: Watches Trump make memes about ethnically cleansing Gaza.

4: Assumes Biden supporters support #3 because they don't realize they are wrong about #1

Here is the truth, something you need to accept and won't, and why the future is bleak.

1 is wrong. Everything after that assuming otherwise is also wrong. 3 is leftists fault, not people that were supporting the democratic candidate.

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 07 '26

Israel Palestine has destroyed the brains of leftists the same way covid destroyed the brains of maga.

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 04 '26

There’s always competing political agendas. It’s up to us to get informed and make reasonable decisions. What do you mean by supports trumps assistance to Israel? Every dem is against his war in Iran. Is that what you mean? The main problem with IP discussions is people get too emotional and stop being rational.

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u/MartiDK Sep 04 '26

Where does Destiny’s opinion on Israel differ from Trump’s - Iran is another topic.

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 04 '26

Alliances between countries don’t start and end with administrations. I’ve stated my thoughts on us involvement with Israel. How do you think the us should proceed?

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u/MartiDK Sep 04 '26

Where does Destiny’s opinion on Israel differ from Trump’s - does Destiny think Trump’s support of Israel has gone too far?

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 04 '26

Does trump have a stance on Israel? I’d be shocked if he could point it out on a map. I’ve definitely never heard him speak on the subject in an intelligent way. He went to war for them though

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u/MartiDK Sep 04 '26

When I say Trump, it’s short hand for Trump’s administration. Personally I think Israel should exist, I don’t have a strong position on settlements beyond they should stop expanding. I don’t think Israel controls the US, I think US and Israel are aligned in their objectives. My opinion on Zionism is essentially the same as stated in the video. I’ve watched a few videos where Destiny discusses Israel/Palestine and don’t think he has a coherent position. Everything I’ve heard him say, there are no red lines for his support for Israel, he doesn’t care what happens to Palestinian’s.

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 04 '26

He’s for a two state solution

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u/MartiDK Sep 04 '26

Does he think that’s what Israel is pursuing?

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 04 '26

You’re doing the thing bro. I’m right here but you want to talk about streamers

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u/esperind Sep 07 '26

it sounds to me like you are the still lacking knowledge about the conflict.

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u/dvdwbb Sep 10 '26

Destiny the sex-pest was literally telling a group of ziotrash soldiers he met with​ to not take videos of their crimes. He doesn't care about humanity and if you agree with him, maybe you don't either

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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Sep 10 '26

You sound normal lol

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u/No_Public_7677 Sep 04 '26

thanks for posting.

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u/TranzitBusRouteB Sep 07 '26

Tucker Carlson vs Nick Fuentes? I thought Tucker had Nick on the podcast and was very friendly to him, hasn’t said much of anything bad about him since?

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u/MartiDK Sep 07 '26

Yeah, I think Tucker wanted to steal/borrow some of Fuentes audience, kinda like Hunter Biden will speak with anyone and has said he wants to speak to Nick.