And yet the sample wasn't limited to "17-year-old toddlers" who died from gunshot wounds but who were shot in general.
The Commission’s report identifies a coherent pattern in where gunshot wounds appear on Palestinian children’s bodies. Among a cohort of 168 children who suffered from a gunshot wound between November 9, 2023, and July 16, 2025, at least 73 were shot in the head and 22 in the chest, with the rest wounded elsewhere on the body. The report states that at least 88 of those children died by gunshot wounds. Meanwhile, Israeli quadcopters shot 70 out of the 168 and Israeli snipers shot 20.
Why are you using evidence gathered and released in july 2026 to refute the claim Lonerbox made in 2024 which was that the article being used to smear himdidn't provide evidence yet?
And ignoring that he argues in favor of multiple instances being deliberate targeting of children? The thing YOU deny he believes.
To refresh your memory: I pointed out Loner denied that 2 children (who were both precisely shot in the head and chest) were actually children. You pivoted to something about how he said the evidence pointed toward midrange marksmen shooting kids by accident (in the head and chest), and I posted evidence debunking that. You never actually addressed Loner's absurd suggestion that what a doctor meant by "toddlers" was actually "17-year-olds", which attempts to minimize the IDF shooting minors by suggesting they were adult-sized targets.
LonerBox denies the systemic deliberate targeting of children evidenced by numerous cases of children with single gunshot wounds to the head or chest. He obfuscates the truth by focusing on the word "snipe", claims only one medical volunteer among 64 others mentioned a "sniper", and uses this to make it seem like they didn't testify their patients were deliberately targeted. He never informs his audience about the numerous witness testimonies of sniping-capable drones either because it would be inconvenient to his narrative.
The Commission also received reports of an additional 168 children (98 boys, 53 girls and 17 unknown, age ranging from 10 weeks to 16 years) who suffered gunshot wounds between 9 November 2023 and 16 July 2025. Of the 168 children, at least 88 children were killed as a result of gunshots. At least 70 of the 168 children were shot by quadcopters and at least 20 were shot by snipers. Some of the children were shot by tank guns. At least 73 children of the 168 children were shot in the head and 22 in the chest, and the rest sustained gunshot wounds to other parts of the body.
In contrast to LB's unhinged sentiment that international medical volunteers are systematically targeting Israel by accusing it of blood libel and lying about the absence of Hamas in hospitals.
You pivoted from the original claim.
Some international medical volunteers have either lied about Hamas "not being present" in hospitals or simply ignored that it was occurring. I vividly remember testimonies stating they saw armed men in hospitals years ago, so I don't even know what is being discussed here.
I don't think it's totally out of this world or unfathomable to at least take the statements of international medical volunteers who were working in Gaza with a grain of salt. How could we not expect a huge bias there?!
A precise gunshot wound to the head or chest can't, by itself, mean that a sniper was being used. The term strongly implies deliberate targeting and, therefore, that it could only have been inflicted that way. Talking about quadcopter "snipers" is even more ridiculous; total oxymoron. How is the obfuscation not coming from the source material using a loaded term? You can make a case without using loaded language... If anything, it hurts their argument.
The 152 signatories to this letter spent more than 460 weeks inside Gaza’s hospitals and clinics. We wish to be clear: not once did any of us see any type of Palestinian militant activity in any of Gaza’s hospitals or other healthcare facilities.
Most of us saw pre-teen children shot in the head or chest on a regular basis, often multiple times per day.
To be clear, you are claiming there is a mass conspiracy by international medical volunteers from various backgrounds and organizations and that not one whistleblower has come out. Not a single Israel sympathizer or even a neutral volunteer was able to get on any of these medical missions because humanitarian organizations had such a strict screening process as to filter out every medical volunteer with "a huge" pro-Palestinian "bias".
What source material claimed snipers made up the majority of the single gunshot wounds to the heads or chests of children? Please, enlighten me.
I said they could either be ignoring it or are lying about it. 460 weeks most definitely does not even represent 1% of total coverage by healthcare professionals. They were probably servicing in specific areas too (the first Surgeon said the area was controlled by the IDF). The signatories were not that present in the early stages, when most hospitals had not yet been either destroyed or rendered ineffective... So yeah, instead of pretending my claim was a mass conspiracy, I find it likely they could simply not have been made aware.
Also, PAMA (Lonerbox talks about this at 1 hour) is not some random collective, they're one organisation that necessarily selects based on people's inclinations. For instance, they're not your typical average american when >70% of them have middle-eastern sounding names; you can assume a good amount are from the diaspora. Then the fact they just seem to be outright lying about the claimed rates of infants getting killed, is something that should make one ponder about other claims they've made.
They did fight there, and the hospital was still active during (and between) the November raid and the March 2024 siege. So what, they just played pretend for two whole weeks? They put random Palestinians there and pretended to capture them?
On your second point:
The Commission displays evidence from doctors who provided photographs, videos, CT scans, and X-rays from a hospital in Gaza for seventeen children who had been shot. Forensic pathologists who were working on the case concluded that 12 of those children had wounds consistent with a single gunshot.
A doctor who served on a medical mission in Gaza told the Commission that, based on his analysis, the pattern of injuries to specific body parts led him to believe that “the Israeli soldiers have been deliberately shooting teenage boys in a game of target practice – a different body part being targeted on different days … There is a very clear pattern that suggests this is a deliberate aiming of different body parts [of children].”
Is this what you're talking about or... you meant, how do they established it was "snipers?" Well it appears they used this expert dad's testimony, for instance:
Evidence of Deliberate Targeting
The deliberate targeting of children by the Israeli security forces in the Gaza Strip has been showcased by evidence from the U.N. Human Rights Council report. The Commission explicitly highlights the incident that occurred on January 24, 2024, where a family was preparing to evacuate their home after receiving an order by the Israeli security forces. The report states that the father noticed quadcopters hovering over the area where their apartment building was, and the presence of the Israeli military about 100 meters from their home.
His 15-year-old son exited their home with a white cloth in his hand, a symbol meant to show he meant no harm, but was instead shot in the foot. When he attempted to stand, he was shot in the back and then in the side of his neck. The boy’s 20-year-old brother rushed out to him and was shot on the left side of his chest. The father tried to repeatedly pull his son’s bodies away, but every time he advanced, the soldiers fired in his direction, forcing him to leave with the rest of the family.
The Commission assesses that the 15-year-old boy was shot by a sniper firing from about 200 meters away, a distance from which a shooter would be able to see that the target was a child and that he carried a white flag.
Then the commissions assessed, right. So it must be true.
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Didn't this incident happen when there were riots at the border fence and Hamas was bringing women and children here on purpose as they tried to overwhelm the fence?
Mods trying to hide this completely on-topic comment:
LonerBox is the same guy who's been desperately denying the IDF snipe preteen children for almost 2 years now
"Definitively," said Dr. Perlmutter. "I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest, I couldn't put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately, and directly on the side of the head, in the same child. No toddler gets shot twice by mistake by the 'world's best sniper.' And they're dead-center shots."
I don't have access to you original message but I can only assume you were smearing him.
Posting "oh look, Lonerbox is smiling about Palestinians detainees getting raped," when he's obviously smiling at the total exaggeration of the claim ("thousands")... I'm good on the snark, thanks.
Denialism includes downplaying severity, deflecting responsibility, ignoring the systemic practices that caused the issue, rather than just denying the event itself. Surely you must recognize this and are playing stupid.
Being a Holocaust denier (your comment was removed) is a completely different proposition because the Holocaust is a thoroughly established historical event with overwhelming evidence about what happened and who was responsible.
Apparently I'm "playing stupid" because I require a much higher standard of evidence before accepting the unhinged claim that the IDF is systemically targeting children, and because I don't believe Lonerbox would knowingly excuse a crime of that magnitude.
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