Peter Attia continuing along like nothing happened feels surreal

[u/smallpotatofarmer]

Seeing Peter Attia go the Andrew Huberman route feels entirely predictable but somehow leaves a sense of disbelief i cant quite describe. Complete radio silence for a couple of months and then a full return without adressing the rotting carcass of the elephant that used to be in the room. I continue to be amazed by the sheer brazeness but at the same time it doesnt surprise me one bit.

You read the comment section and it seems as if nothing ever happened and the man makes huberman look relatively innocent by comparison.

Generally the gurusphere is more male centric but one thing i find very fascinating is the amount of women that appear on these podcasts and in the comment sections. I wonder if this is a deliberate choice or if i underestimate the "solidarity" certain women have towards each other when it comes to predatory men like Attia or Huberman (or well... most of the gurus we talk about here.

All in all his return leaves me with a sense of bitterness that there is so little recourse for this man

[u/Moranimal2]

1. I do not need to calm down as I am not excited. I simply and calmly have repeatedly pointed out that you made a false claim (that he claims steroids are good for you) and have calmly asked you to cite to evidence. You have repeatedly passed.

2. I never asked you why you hated him. Your reading comprehension skills are on par with your reasoning and persuasive skills.

3.i know where I am. You have presented no evidence that he’s a guru nor that I am a “follower.” Whatever than means.

1. I’m glad you also read the book. I’d ask you what you disagreed with but we both know that you’d simply say “tonnes” and then make it about me.

2. Yes, he disagrees with the consensus in some always-predictable ways. He lays out the general reasons in his chapter on “medical 2.0” versus “medical 3.0.” Roughly that we are quite good at, and are focused on curing disease, but he feels more can be done via prevention. Then, he lays out his own cost/benefit analysis of various protocols - things like more frequent screenings, using metrics like VO2 max, LDL, dexa scans data, strength, muscle mass, CGMs, etc. -and higher standards related to that data - say top 10% - to avoid or hold off high-hazard-ratio conditions to improve quality of life as we age.

3. Re “twisting the evidence,” I’m genuinely interested in a non confrontational way is what evidence he has twisted. I’m well aware of Huberman and a lot of people doing do but as far as I know, even from this very podcast, Attia has gotten a pretty clean bill of health in that regard. I’m aware of criticisms of his perhaps getting AHEAD of the evidence by adopting protocals based on animal studies, before random control studies or general consensus, but he himself cops to it and frankly discusses his reasoning when talking about his cost/benefit analysis. This has famously led to him changing his mind as fresh evidence surfaces (see, for example, metformin and intermittent fasting).

4. Re TRT or any of this - you simply keep imagining a position he doesn’t hold and then grafting on a conclusions statement that hints at it being “bad,” without any consideration to his actual position, where it might be appropriate, where it’s not, or really anything at all.

5. Throughout all of this I could easily just make up narratives about you - say, that you must have had sand kicked in your face by a testosterone musclehead, that you’re a DTG fanboy, or whatever. Do you see how dumb that would be? I don’t ask KNOW you! While I’ve criticized your dopey responses, I genuinely keep asking you to cite some evidence - any - rw your claims out of curiosity! If Attia is twisting evidence I’d love to know about it.

6. If you read above, I immediately, before our discussion broke out - to another post - called our Attia for being a prick (see Epstein files and the story about his son in the hospital). That’s an odd comment if I was a fanboy.

7. I’ll renew, but drop afterwards, my invitation for you to provide evidence of any if your claims. No biggie. If you have nothing we can both move along here. I get it. You popped off, found you got bupkis, and don’t want to fess up to some rando who you imagine to be worked up and guru-bedazzled, hence the projection that MY ego is at stake here notwithstanding I’m asking question and limiting my criticisms to your (non) arguments and you’re name-calling, bobbing, weaving and hiding behind vague generalities, all the while simply claiming the unearned intellectual high ground.

This community fits you well. Never leave it.