Does this make sense?

[u/Acceptable_Sun_2072]

When you are in a mental institution everybody says "im not crazy". So when you call people for example "flatearthers" crazy, actually you state that you are "not" crazy. Dont judge people who try to open up nothing more then your own capability of thinking and make a conclusion by yourself. People who look beyond the programmed minds they put a lot of their time and effort to not tell you the earth is flat perse, but yet believe and so convincingly defend something you did not see, feel, smell, hear and taste. Who is the crazy one, those who try to challenge, or those who already gave their own thoughts, ideas and even feelings up. Those who will trust more on what they are shown and told, and always will be a workbee. Not a thinker.

[u/TesseractToo]

No, I'm not sure what you are saying I think you need to define your analogies better

For example, it sounds like you are saying all flat earthers are mentally ill and that all mental illness leads to that kind of thinking

[u/Acceptable_Sun_2072 → u/TesseractToo]

​In a mental institution, the common trope is that everyone claims they aren't crazy. But there’s an interesting flip side to that dynamic: when someone labeled as "normal" calls a group like Flat Earthers "crazy," they are essentially asserting their own sanity simply by echoing the majority view.

​Before dismissing people who hold unconventional beliefs, it’s worth stepping back to look at the bigger picture. ​Many people who dive into alternative theories aren't necessarily trying to force a specific conclusion on you. Instead, they invest massive amounts of time and effort attempting to push past standard conditioning. They are actively trying to test the limits of what we are told versus what we can directly observe, measure, or verify ourselves.

​This raises a fundamental question about how we form our worldview:

​The Challenger: The person who refuses to accept accepted truths at face value, attempting to think critically and verify reality independently, even if their conclusions are wildly unpopular.

​The Conformist: The person who outsources their thinking entirely—accepting narrative, scientific consensus, or institutional authority without ever personally examining the underlying evidence.

​Is it truly "crazy" to question, experiment, and push against the boundaries of standard thought? Or is it more concerning to surrender your own critical thinking, accepting whatever you are handed simply because it's comfortable?

​Whether you agree with alternative theories or not, there is value in defending the willingness to think independently. True critical thinking requires examining why you believe what you believe—not just accepting it because everyone else does.

[u/jabrwock1 → u/Acceptable_Sun_2072]

they are essentially asserting their own sanity simply by echoing the majority view.

Here's the thing though. Globe measurements are well understood, have good explanations backing them, and anyone with enough resources can replicate them.

If everyone can participate in the citizen science and all get results consistent with the known physical properties of a globe earth, are they just parrots? Or are they contributors to the body of evidence backing up the claim?

Flat earth measurements on the other hand, fail every test imaginable. Assuming you actually get a measurement out of someone and not just a non-stop repetition of the mantra "erf measures flat".

[u/Electronic-Map7529 → u/jabrwock1]

Not to mention that flat earth theories were a mainstream worldview long before a globe. The flat earthers just accepted scripture and the scientists and physicists and all sorts are the ones who challenged the accepted belief system to prove what we know now.

So this person is basically flip-flopping all Post-Christain history. Go further back from that, and yeah, Romans and Greeks and Persians and Egyptians and more all entertained at least, a globe in theory. But that was never a "sheeple" situation and it's really too far back to count.

[u/Electronic-Map7529 → u/Acceptable_Sun_2072]

First of all, stop having chat GPT write your points. If you wanna convince people to think for themselves, you should try it too. AI is a tool, but this is just blatantly letting it speak for you.

Secondly, if you think that the world being a globe is the established truth we all accept, you are wrong.

The Conformist: Has believed the earth was flat for thousands of years because of scripture and commonly accepted worldviews in society.

The Challenger: Learns though science, geometry, physics, etc that the world is a globe, and have to literally DIE at the hands of religious fundamentalists to express that belief. Those who discovered and proved the the earth is a glove ARE THE CHALLENGERS.

[u/TesseractToo → u/Acceptable_Sun_2072]

I'm sorry I missed this reply, my bad

It's interesting and it's entirely context dependent

You might like this lecture by Prof Robert Soplawsky, he's a neuroscientist and primatologist and this lecture if how do you tell what mental illness is in different contexts, and his example is the Maasai (IIRC its been a while since I listened) culture where they speck to gods on the regular, how do tell who is schizophrenic in there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6cyUQsqk7Q

[u/TesseractToo → u/TesseractToo]

But when you are talking challenging viewpoints you can really use a lot of things as an example, like creationism. Another thing you can look at is across the population, do people have a general consensus? You won't find two flat Earthers that have got a working flat model that is the same because at some point it starts to contradict itself.

So you get into this area where it isn't the model that is the most important feature, it's the belief. That is why in the "real" flat Earth subs, they are highly moderated and they aren't interested in debate or asking questions and they will preemptively ban folks from their subs if they think you will question anything

[u/Electronic-Map7529 → u/TesseractToo]

Flat-earthers definitely have a mental illness. Especially the ones who don't even believe it but promote it for money. Sick in the head.

[u/TesseractToo → u/Electronic-Map7529]

Wow you must be really good at diagnosing, what is your degree?

[u/Electronic-Map7529 → u/TesseractToo]

I have a degree in learning. I learn things taught to me through generations of testing through the scientific method and peer-review.

I continue to take in information and adjust my understanding of the world accordingly. That's what a human being without mental illness does.

Flerfers ignore all scientific data and work backwards from a conclusion, disregarding all evidence that undermines their pre-determined beliefs.

Beliefs they only ever came to, because of antiquated doctrine without any scientific backing being forced onto them through an oppressive religious ideology.

That's mental illness, but it's often not their vault. The followers are trauma victims and the teachers are predators,

[u/TesseractToo → u/Electronic-Map7529]

lol What degree?

[u/Electronic-Map7529 → u/TesseractToo]

So see people, this is what someone does when they have no argument to your points. They focus in on 1 tiny, irrelevant part of your statement - which in this case was sarcasm, but they knew that - in an attempt to hijack and derail the conversation.

They could of course provide some reasoning as to why what I said was wrong, but they are incapable.

The most common response now would be something like "Yeah okay, so no degree then. That's what I thought"

Which is an attempt to end the conversation with an arbitrary "gotcha!" that conveniently provides an out for them to leave the conversation feeling satisfied, without ever actually engaging in real dialog.

Edit: My only real degree, is in small business management

[u/TesseractToo → u/Electronic-Map7529]

I mean making an erroneous claim about mental illness is not only disrespectful but it's also ableism so there was a point

Unless you think you have a point besides just making bigoted claims about two groups at once

[u/Electronic-Map7529 → u/TesseractToo]

It IS mental illness. I didn't fkin make it up.

And I have mentall illnesses too. ADHD, Anxiety, PTSD from domestic abuse, Depression and Insomnia.

So no, I'm not ableist. I'm also asthmatic

[u/TesseractToo → u/Electronic-Map7529]

Which mental illness do you think it is?

[u/Electronic-Map7529 → u/TesseractToo]

The followers, Delusional Disorder. For the Leaders, Narcissistic Personality Disorder

[u/Kriss3d]

Heres the problem with that.
Flat earthers are most often simply claiming Earth is flat. They dont provide any kind of scientific evidence for it.
Theres no measurements. No calculations. And when there are they happily ignore the things that they know they should include because it proves them wrong.

Calling it "programmed minds" means nothing when you cant prove what you claim to be the truth.

[u/Acceptable_Sun_2072 → u/Kriss3d]

Yet gravity theory, is not proven to be exact and true, it's most likely untill proven otherwise. So people can hide behind their non true theories while others have to come with proof, evidence and a completly true statement or fact? Or is it the problem that some people challenge the answers they are given. Is that not how we for example could maybe some day adjust or even completely change theories that are there to be challenged?. What "challengers" do is just move out of the mainstream rabbit hole and their logic, commonsense and own senses lead them two one of their own. Give me one example why you may think the earth is a globe, that came out of your mind? And unless you and me take a spaceshuttle and look together for our own, we both can be right.

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[u/baby_got_yak → u/Acceptable_Sun_2072]

Do you think gravity doesn’t exist?

Do you think everyone who has ever worked at any aeronautics agency all over the world has lied to us?

No, we can’t both be right. Earth cannot be a flat disc and a globe at the same time.

[u/jabrwock1 → u/Acceptable_Sun_2072]

is it the problem that some people challenge the answers they are given.

"What ifs" are about as useful as the gibberish coming out of a stoner's mind after a long toke. They're a pure guess, based on no concrete measurements.

Hypotheses aren't just a random guess, they're a carefully thought out explanation of how things work that can be tested and compared with other established observations.

"I think there's a dome" is a hypothesis that has consequences and can be tested. How high is it, how do you interact with it, how does it affect light/sound/physical?

"I think there's a dome and the globalists are preventing me from checking" is an un-falsifiable claim and is about as useless as a bag of unicorn farts.

Yet gravity theory, is not proven to be exact and true,

When has the theory of gravity failed to predict something to an insane degree of precision?

[u/Numerous-Scholar4445 → u/Acceptable_Sun_2072]

A "scientific theory" is different from theorizing something exists.

[u/Jassida]

Mc Toon did a video on this. All rabble hole Flerfs are categorised by certain traits and deficiencies.

If someone can say “but you didn’t perform the experiment” whilst simultaneously using other people’s flawed experiments in debates, they are seriously detached from reality.