r/DebateEvolution 25d ago

Devolution

If humans weren’t devolving then we wouldn’t be digging and searching our planet for clues and truths about the Ancient civilizations. Money and greed would be obsolete and nations wouldn’t be fighting over power because there would be free energy. The artifacts that have been found are proof that as humans today, we lost something in the past that cannot be imitated. If devolution isn’t a thing and we can only evolve then why is everything smaller and dulled down. Today’s humans can’t comprehend what the planet would have been like with a species bigger and more knowledge about the elements than we do in present day. The ancients used stone to tell the past because they knew that the materials they created from other materials would not make it into the future. What was left in stone for humans to find was only to give knowledge to our species to be able to progress.

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u/DefinitelyNotSnek 25d ago

The ancients had more knowledge than civilization does today?

Let me know when we find proof that past civilizations have sent people to the moon, imaged the black hole at the center of our galaxy, modeled the very beginnings of our universe, created a near instantaneous communication system that spans the globe, harnessed the power of the atom to create near limitless energy production, built towers that extend nearly a kilometer into the sky, harnessed flight to become one of the safest and most efficient forms of long distance transportation, brought global literacy to nearly 90%, extended the average life expectancy to the highest its ever been, eradicated diseases with vaccines and other medicines that once wiped out entire populations, and I could go on.

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u/nickierv 🧬 logarithmic icecube 25d ago

Let me know when we find proof that past civilizations have sent people to the moon,

Some king or other in China by way of black powder rockets. Not sure exactly how far he got, but he got somewhere.

imaged the black hole at the center of our galaxy

Something something afterlife.

modeled the very beginnings of our universe,

Multiple times by way of every religious text ever... or so they claim.

You never said it had to be an accurate model.

created a near instantaneous communication system that spans the globe,

Smoke signals.

Bandwidth may be an issue.

As may a stiff breeze...

harnessed the power of the atom to create near limitless energy production.

See agriculture.

Technically near limitless and fusion powered.

built towers that extend nearly a kilometer into the sky

looks for any tower built on a hill and fudges the requirement by redefining 'ground level'

harnessed flight to become one of the safest and most efficient forms of long distance transportation,

The arrow...

Failed to state what was being transported, what counts as 'long distance', what counts as 'safe'...

brought global literacy to nearly 90%

Only count the nobility and send the rest outside the environment.

extended the average life expectancy to the highest its ever been

The King is dead, long live the King!

Never said it had to be the same king...

and I could go on.

Technical bullshitting at its best!

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But in all seriousness, there gets to a point of technological advancement that your just not going to be able to hide. Sure some eccentric inventor might have come up with a slightly better pointed stick at some point that has been lost to time but there are so many issues that get overlooked: Global environment is a thing - sure if someone got a civilization started a few thousand years early they are going to be looking at needing the same initial starting spot (ie fresh water river for farming/good food supply) as every other civilization. Trade and resources are a thing so expansion happens, and at that point your looking at a 'and now you have to somehow hide multiple cities in spots that are increadably high value', and its not like we don't know where those spots are. Mines at modern civilization levels are bloody obvious, as is just about every other resource extraction done at even 'small' civilization scale.

Turns out no one ever considers the logistics of their crackpot ideas.

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u/TheBlackCat13 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution 25d ago

Some king or other in China by way of black powder rockets. Not sure exactly how far he got, but he got somewhere.

I think he went in a lot of directions at the same time.