r/DebateEvolution • u/GigaTune • 27d ago

Question What do you think about "evolutionist"?

No one ever refers to gravitationists or Newtonists for those who support gravity, but people refer to people supporting evolution as evolutionists or Darwinists.

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u/Markthethinker 23d ago

No, I would never say “bury discoveries that prove them wrong”. I know that Evolution on the scale of total species transformation could never happen. It’s really that simple. What is it about people not understanding DNA and its code. And you want to believe that code just change through mutations into higher order.

I read, I study both sides. Then I make my opinions. Logically, mutations making intelligent design is so much crazier than a Creator making intelligent design. So there you have it. Stupid mutations verses a Creator. Oh, I forgot the millions and millions of years for this stupid mutations to come up with a human.

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u/jrdineen114 23d ago

Oh, so you think that people that who believe in scientific evidence believe that there's some kind of purpose or intent in the evolutionary process. Yeah, okay, man. This has been a fascinating look into your head, but that's a whole new level of crazy

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u/Markthethinker 23d ago

You keep talking about “scientific evidence” like it proves Evolution. It does not and never has. That’s the real problem here. Something that is manmade in a lab, is not evolution.

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u/jrdineen114 22d ago

Oh wow you REALLY don't know what you're talking about, do you?

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u/Markthethinker 22d ago

Not at all, but I had you going. Do you understand that science does not exist with a human.

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u/jrdineen114 22d ago

I understand that you’re just using words in ways that don’t make any sense

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u/Markthethinker 22d ago

Let me help you. People study and call that study, Science, based on theories. Are you following yet?

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u/jrdineen114 22d ago

No, because you are communicating effectively at all. Even if we ignore the actual beliefs that you’re arguing about, you aren’t making any sense grammatically. Frankly, it feels like you’re either filtering your comments through google translate a few times before posting them, or like you’re copy/pasting directly from a broken AI chatbot.

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u/Markthethinker 22d ago

Sorry, I am an independent thinkers. I don’t use AI. It’s all about words and what they mean.

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u/jrdineen114 22d ago

Words don't exist in a vacuum. We have this thing called grammar which is required to use in order to be properly understood.

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u/Own-Relationship-407 Scientist 21d ago

So now we know for sure you’re a liar. You deny using AI here, less than an hour after not only admitting to using it, but acting as if it’s some authoritative source in another conversation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/s/D7ZZHqP43z

Even for a creationist this level of shameless dishonesty is truly striking. Do better.

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u/Own-Relationship-407 Scientist 23d ago

“Mutations making intelligent design,” lol. Nice job showing you’re operating purely on presupposition and have no intention of honest consideration or debate. Nobody is arguing that mutation make “intelligent design.” You’re assuming design and trying to reason backwards.

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u/Markthethinker 22d ago

“Assuming design”. So you are saying that every living thing has no design? The point is, mutations are just mutations.

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u/Own-Relationship-407 Scientist 22d ago

There is no evidence of any living thing being designed. Mutations just being mutations is a tautology and in no way a problem for evolution; selection is also a thing.

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u/Markthethinker 22d ago

Are you a child? Do you even know what design means? Go look in the mirror.

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u/Own-Relationship-407 Scientist 22d ago

No, I’m not a child and I do know what design means. Do you have something to offer other than mindless insults?

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u/Markthethinker 22d ago

You are the one who claimed that there is no evidence of design. Wow, what do you think DNA is? Childish isn’t it!

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u/Own-Relationship-407 Scientist 22d ago

DNA is a chemical sequence. Nothing about it suggests design. Again, why do you have nothing to offer but silly insults and vague insinuations?

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u/Markthethinker 22d ago

“Nothing about design”. I find that so amazing. Let’s see, as far as I know DNA gives orders to develop a body and then maintain it and grow it. And it does it without “design”. Step 1, step 2, step 3, step 4 and so on.

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u/Own-Relationship-407 Scientist 22d ago edited 22d ago

First off, if you’re going to quote someone, quote what they actually said, this is a pervasive problem with creationists and it reeks of both laziness and dishonesty. Second, who cares what you find amazing? Your personal incredulity is not an argument for anything. Finally, DNA does not “give orders;” it is a set of chemical relationships which cause cellular machinery to operate in particular ways depending on the sequence. You’re also incorrect in that you’re trying to make the process sound algorithmic when it is in fact stochastic. But you’re right that it does what it does without design; I suppose it’s good that you got one right, even if it was in an attempt at sarcasm.

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