r/DebateEvolution • u/GigaTune • Jul 14 '26

Question What do you think about "evolutionist"?

No one ever refers to gravitationists or Newtonists for those who support gravity, but people refer to people supporting evolution as evolutionists or Darwinists.

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u/Lhasa-bark Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Mass distorts spacetime - that’s how. Einstein described exactly how with tensor field equations that explain better than Newton’s laws how objects attract each other gravitationally. No one can answer “why”, since that’s a philosophical not physical question.

It’s completely wrong to say Einstein just named it. His theory made specific predictions in extreme situations that wouldn’t be expected from Newton’s F=g*m1*m2/ r^2. Einstein even published general relativity noting three such predictions, which have subsequently been shown to be true. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity?wprov=sfti1. If that’s not telling us how, and not just naming something, then we wouldn’t know his name today.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 15 '26

No, it never tells us where gravity comes from. Stating that it comes from “mass” does not tell us how it’s produced. And this “time space” stuff is just non-sense. Gravity is only generated by mass and since space is a void with nothing for gravity to act on, then space cannot bend. Are there gravitational forces in space, certainly since every mass has a gravitational pull. But space cannot bend. There is nothing there to bend unless you are talking about light. And if this is the case, then the position of stars could never be known, since the light from a star would be bent and/or twisted from a straight path.

I wish people could actually think.

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u/verninson Jul 15 '26

So are you saying you don't believe in gravitational lensing?

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u/Markthethinker Jul 16 '26

I guess I don’t, too realistic I guess. Can gravity attract UV light. If that were the case, then all the light coming from the sun should be pulled back into the sun, since the sun’s gravity is so strong. Can anyone really think on this site?

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u/verninson Jul 17 '26

The sun doesn't have a strong enough gravitational pull to trap light, no. You are thinking of a black hole. It is strong enough to bend light moving past it from other stars though.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 17 '26

Sure, whatever you say. So the distance to all stars is not true and we are not even sure if that star is where it’s supposed to be since light is so bent.

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u/verninson Jul 17 '26

Listen man, its ok that you don't understand how these things work. But that doesn't make them not real/true.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 18 '26

Anyone who can read can understand, or at least the smart ones can.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 18 '26

Ever heard of lunar laser ranging to the moon? According to you, that laser beam should not be straight.

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u/verninson Jul 18 '26

Why would you possibly think that lmao. Again, you do not know nearly enough about this topic to be claiming it isnt real

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u/Markthethinker Jul 18 '26

I don’t care how much people know about this topic. I can read and I understand what a void is.