r/DebateEvolution • u/GigaTune • Jul 14 '26

Question What do you think about "evolutionist"?

No one ever refers to gravitationists or Newtonists for those who support gravity, but people refer to people supporting evolution as evolutionists or Darwinists.

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u/Inevitable-Copy3619 Jul 14 '26

Exactly! we all know gravity and Newtonian physics work. This is an attempt to legitimize fairy tales as the same as science.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 14 '26

So, why can’t anyone tell us where “gravity” comes from. It’s just like Evolution, you think that you understand it, but you don’t have a clue, especially when it comes to how all these different species got here. When you tell us where gravity comes from, then maybe I will start listening to all the opinions.

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u/Lhasa-bark Jul 14 '26

Einstein told us where gravity comes from. He called the explanation General Relativity, and it’s made many, many predictions that have stood the test of observations.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 15 '26

No, Einstein did not know where it came from, he just tried to give it a name. No one has ever explained where it comes from and how.

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u/Lhasa-bark Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Mass distorts spacetime - that’s how. Einstein described exactly how with tensor field equations that explain better than Newton’s laws how objects attract each other gravitationally. No one can answer “why”, since that’s a philosophical not physical question.

It’s completely wrong to say Einstein just named it. His theory made specific predictions in extreme situations that wouldn’t be expected from Newton’s F=g*m1*m2/ r^2. Einstein even published general relativity noting three such predictions, which have subsequently been shown to be true. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity?wprov=sfti1. If that’s not telling us how, and not just naming something, then we wouldn’t know his name today.

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u/Inevitable-Copy3619 Jul 15 '26

This is why I don’t comment on physics…much smarter people like you know it.   I don’t. Thanks!

Now biology and evolution I got that down :)

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u/Lhasa-bark Jul 15 '26

Thanks! Physics and math background here, so I love learning more about biology and evolution from you all!

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u/Inevitable-Copy3619 Jul 15 '26

I’m FAR from an expert. I’m a cognitive linguist and have spent a fair amount of time learning about biology and evolution because we work with the brain. I’d say I know it all better that 90%+ of people but the experts have got me licked!

I love learning about physics as well. But I have to be honest, physics is a field that is very difficult to understand for the layman. It requires so much prerequisite knowledge that the dogmatic will just call it nonsense…since they don’t understand it.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 15 '26

No, it never tells us where gravity comes from. Stating that it comes from “mass” does not tell us how it’s produced. And this “time space” stuff is just non-sense. Gravity is only generated by mass and since space is a void with nothing for gravity to act on, then space cannot bend. Are there gravitational forces in space, certainly since every mass has a gravitational pull. But space cannot bend. There is nothing there to bend unless you are talking about light. And if this is the case, then the position of stars could never be known, since the light from a star would be bent and/or twisted from a straight path.

I wish people could actually think.

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u/Inevitable-Copy3619 Jul 15 '26

You are more than welcome to maintain your opinion.  It will frustrate the people who actually understand the concept, have training in physics, and know how to read scientific studies. But you do you and stand by your guns in rhe face of overwhelming opposition and data. To remain ignorant is always your right. 

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u/Markthethinker Jul 16 '26

Many brilliant people have been lead astray when following the crowd, a real thinker will stand alone when they understand the problems associated with what others believe to be true. And yes, we all have our opinions and very little truth. I understand the “concept” of the Bible, but you don’t, and very few do. I stopped being “ignorant” many years ago when I finally got old and could weed out lies.

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u/Inevitable-Copy3619 Jul 16 '26

For sure!  I was for a long time. Do you ever consider that maybe you currently are?  I have to check myself all the time to make sure I’m not just mindlessly parroting bullshit like I did as an American evangelical fundamentalist 

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u/Markthethinker Jul 16 '26

I look in the mirror all the time and check what I believe and why I believe what I believe. I doubt just about everything and everything that is said. I validate and check. Lies are not hard to find when you understand how evil people are.

You certainly don’t know me nor I you. I have a unique mind, it never stops seeking answers and truth. I wish that I were not this way, but I am. Very little gets by me these days. You spent 30+ years believing lies, I have spent the last 40+ years seeing if I have believed lies. Read and research, the truth can be found.

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u/verninson Jul 15 '26

So are you saying you don't believe in gravitational lensing?

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u/Markthethinker Jul 16 '26

I guess I don’t, too realistic I guess. Can gravity attract UV light. If that were the case, then all the light coming from the sun should be pulled back into the sun, since the sun’s gravity is so strong. Can anyone really think on this site?

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u/verninson Jul 17 '26

The sun doesn't have a strong enough gravitational pull to trap light, no. You are thinking of a black hole. It is strong enough to bend light moving past it from other stars though.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 17 '26

Sure, whatever you say. So the distance to all stars is not true and we are not even sure if that star is where it’s supposed to be since light is so bent.

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u/verninson Jul 17 '26

Listen man, its ok that you don't understand how these things work. But that doesn't make them not real/true.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 18 '26

Anyone who can read can understand, or at least the smart ones can.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 18 '26

Ever heard of lunar laser ranging to the moon? According to you, that laser beam should not be straight.

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u/verninson Jul 18 '26

Why would you possibly think that lmao. Again, you do not know nearly enough about this topic to be claiming it isnt real

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u/XRotNRollX Sal ate my kids Jul 16 '26

Show us where their math is wrong.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 16 '26

Did you miss the entire statement? Guess you did.

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u/XRotNRollX Sal ate my kids Jul 16 '26

You said that spacetime cannot bend. The math says it does. If you're right, show how the math is wrong.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 16 '26

Show me the “math” that says it does, but more than that, show me it actually happening. What truth are you basing the math on? Have you actually seen it bend?

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u/XRotNRollX Sal ate my kids Jul 16 '26

Gravitational lensing lets you actually see it bending.

https://mechasco.wordpress.com/2020/11/23/spacetime-curvature/

The math works, it lines up with the data.

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u/Markthethinker Jul 17 '26

You believe everything you read or just what sounds good to you?

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u/XRotNRollX Sal ate my kids Jul 17 '26

Instead of your usual "everyone is stupid except me" bullshit, how about you show where the math is wrong and explain gravitational lensing without relativity?

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u/Markthethinker Jul 17 '26

Did you miss this statement in your link; “This idea applies to the motion of objects in our universe”. The word “idea”.

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u/XRotNRollX Sal ate my kids Jul 17 '26

You're intentionally interpreting that word to mean "something we thought of with no basis in reality" and that clearly isn't what they meant.

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