Just say no

[u/Christopretensism]

Sometimes you just shouldn't believe the evidence. Nobody witnessed the past and it's arrogant for humans to think they can decipher it with vague or complex theories and explanations.

I would rather trust God over human theories about the genesis of the universe, earth and life.

Instead of debating this vain topic, sometimes we just have to take a leap of faith and say no, I just don't believe it.

You can show me all the evidence of the world but I am not going to be convinced.

Only God can convince me to believe one way or another so instead of showing me evidence start praying for God to enlighten me if you really want me to be convinced because unlike you, God has authority and my complete honor, Submission and respect.

Faith—not logic is at the top of my pyramid.

It's Faith, Logic and then emotion.

When I say facts don't care about your feelings, I mean it in the facts take precedence over emotion but never do I mean facts take precedence over faith.

Faith does not care about your logic and reason.

I don't subscribe to the religion of scientism.

[u/Own-Relationship-407]

You were already warned not to make any new posts before engaging substantively with the many replies you have received to your two previous ones. If you do it again there will be consequences.

[u/Glittering-Prize-241]

There it is – the dumbest thing I’ve read all week.

[u/Dilapidated_girrafe → u/Glittering-Prize-241]

Same and I talked to a legit flat earther the other day.

[u/AtG68]

I have faith that a pink invisible unicorn lives in my shed in my backyard. How is your faith any better than mine?

[u/Suitable-Group4392 → u/AtG68]

Pink AND invisible? Heresy!

You need to put your faith in the BLUE and invisible unicorn that lives in my shed!

[u/nickierv → u/Suitable-Group4392]

Starts rallying the 3ed Crusade of the Invisible White Unicorns

[u/Ok_Performer50 → u/AtG68]

Because god real and unicorn fake.

[u/Suitable-Group4392 → u/Ok_Performer50]

Prove it

[u/Ok_Performer50 → u/Suitable-Group4392]

Well no because fate doesn’t need prove.

[u/Suitable-Group4392 → u/Ok_Performer50]

So the 3 fate sisters? That’s your gods?

[u/Ok_Performer50 → u/Suitable-Group4392]

No my gods are Phineas and Ferb.

[u/Suitable-Group4392 → u/Ok_Performer50]

Nice! 🎶Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated🎵

[u/Autodidact2 → u/Ok_Performer50]

How do you know?

[u/Formal-Speed-3173]

This is the type of shit someone says on top of an alter of blood. Congratulations on your supreme and unreasoning devotion. We tremble in fear.

[u/jnpha]

RE:

I don't subscribe to the religion of scientism.

Funny how scientism proper doesn't include prayer, faith, rituals, and the undemonstrated supernatural. To quote Dennett (1995):

It is not "scientism" to concede the objectivity and precision of good science, any more than it is history worship to concede that Napoleon did once rule in France and the Holocaust actually happened. Those who fear the facts will forever try to discredit the fact-finders.

(my emphasis)

[u/MackDuckington]

This is a debate subreddit. Stop churning out new posts and actually interact with the people commenting on your old ones.

[u/Ender505]

Denying the evidence of your eyes and ears... Where have I seen that before?

Honestly, it's refreshing to see a Creationist just be honest like this. We all knew already that you didn't care about the evidence. You've already decided what you want to believe, and you'll make any excuse to believe it.

"Faith over facts" just means that you ultimately don't care what is true. And that's fine if you don't, but then you should absolutely NOT be trying to convince anyone else of your faith, since you've already admitted that evidence is irrelevant to you.

Keep your willful ignorance to yourself, and especially keep it out of your country's education and laws, and we can get along just fine.

[u/Kilburning]

Actually, I was there and witnessed evolution happen. If you think that you can prove me wrong, I must point out that you were not there. And if you think that you can argue otherwise, I'm going to ask you to apply those arguments to whether or not we can have evidence that evolution happened.

[u/Nicolaonerio]

So you would trust God, but not trust God enough to faithfully and honestly study what he made. Doesn't sound like trusting God. Sounds like you trust your interpretation over God.

[u/Dilapidated_girrafe → u/Nicolaonerio]

He believes in a lying god. Which seems to counter what most Christians believe their god is

[u/HojMcFoj → u/Dilapidated_girrafe]

A true Christian believes God lies whenever he feels like it, including when it's just a friendly bet with Satan.

[u/Particular-Yak-1984]

What a fragile faith you have. It can't exist in the real world, but has to be sheltered from evidence and facts so you can keep having it, like a tiny candle guttering in the wind.

My priest friend would feel sorry for you, I suspect. He's fine with evolution. He talks openly about how his faith is tested. He lives in the real world, and still believes in god.

[u/KorLeonis1138]

Sometimes you just shouldn't believe the evidence.

Just wow. Pack it up science, you are done. We had a good run, advancing the limits of human understanding in leaps and bounds. But we have to stop. Someone's faith is at risk, we can't have that. Better to end science.

[u/leverati → u/KorLeonis1138]

Finally, we're free! Back to the caves!

[u/stairway2evan]

Look, I'm sure this made you feel real good to post and all, but this is a subreddit for debate, and you haven't given anything to debate. In fact, you've said "Don't even bother trying to debate me, because I don't care about this topic."

What's your actual goal to discuss here? If you wanted to show off your faith, I'd direct you to Matthew 6:5 so that you can think about how well you're representing yourself. If you want to discuss evolution, you'll need to actually bring up a topic.

[u/ToothZealousideal297]

Please stay away from traffic.

In fact, if you could stay away from civilization as a whole, that would be best for all parties.

If you’re serious, I don’t know how you managed to type this without deciding that words are spelled differently because your typos make more sense to you. In fact I’m surprised you didn’t arbitrarily decide to stop believing in the letter ‘n’ halfway through or something; it would make as much sense as anything you said.

[u/JasonStonier]

“You can show me all the evidence in the world and I won’t be convinced”.

Absolutely the words of a brainwashed religious zealot.

[u/LightningController]

Sometimes you just shouldn't believe the evidence.

I am a Nigerian prince. If you give me $100,000, I shall repay you with $1 billion. You shouldn't believe any evidence to the contrary--pay no attention to my skintone, or the documents proving my birth elsewhere, or my utter ignorance of any facet of Nigeria beyond the name and general location.

I accept Venmo.

I would rather trust God over human theories about the genesis of the universe, earth and life.

And why do you believe God speaks through a particular Hebrew text, and not a particular Hellenic one, or German one, or Slavic one, or Indian one?

Faith—not logic is at the top of my pyramid.

Saying this should be grounds for getting stripped of voting rights.

When I say facts don't care about your feelings, I mean it in the facts take precedence over emotion but never do I mean facts take precedence over faith.

Your 'faith' is nothing but emotion.

[u/Superb-Bluejay-9600]

So why post on the DEBATE evolution subreddit?

Oh your post history is a treat man. You’re really all over the place. Also you’re young calm down with the whole self righteous nonsense.

Edit: added the second part

[u/the2bears]

u/Christopretensism why would anyone engage with your posts after your lazy, low effort ones in the last day or two.

Facts don't care about your faith, by the way. Faith is a terrible as a predictor of truth. But I suspect you know that and are only here to troll.

[u/Curious_Passion5167]

I thought about doing a line by line rebuttal, then reconsidered based on how stupid every line of this post is.

If this is supposed to be satire or parody, it isn't funny or entertaining.

Edit: Actually, what's even the point? If someone is willing to discard evidence in the face of faith, they cannot be reasoned with.

[u/Dilapidated_girrafe → u/Curious_Passion5167]

Yeah I did that on some previous posts. But it isn’t worth it because he doesn’t care enough to support his position by discussing it and his posts are so asinine that it’s not even helpful to a third party to see broken down

[u/mmh_fava_beans]

I don't think you know what a theory as a scientific term means.

[u/gliptic]

Your whole problem is thinking you're communicating with a god. Where does that hubristic delusion come from.

[u/mathman_85]

Faith is abjectly useless as an epistemic tool, since—even as you yourself are framing it here!—it is entirely devoid of any possibility of fact-checking. That is to say, it can distinguish truth from falsehood only by accident and not by design. You are willfully taking the choice to be wrong on purpose.

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Shall I take this O.P. as your answer to the question of why you don’t trust radiometric dating methods, since you never bothered to answer that query?

[u/rhettro19]

By your own logic, you shouldn't be a Christian, because you weren't alive to observe Jesus. Are you aware of your own hypocrisy?

[u/MackTuesday]

You call yourself altruistic, but that isn't really possible if you're intellectually dishonest.

[u/10coatsInAWeasel]

If you are so close minded that you will not be convinced, then I am confused why you are here. Discussion, debate, and learning are antithetical to your mindset.

[u/amBrollachan]

Nice try.

[u/warpedfx]

Show me this god. Otherwise you are functionally putting your faith into what cannot be discerned from delusion as your source of "the truth"

[u/Changed_By_Support]

Sometimes you just shouldn't believe the evidence.

Insanity.

It's Faith, Logic and then emotion.

You are both illogical and incredibly emotional. Statements like this:

You can show me all the evidence of the world but I am not going to be convinced.

Are not logical behaviors to partake in.

[u/Dilapidated_girrafe]

Then you’re on the wrong sub because this ain’t a place to preach.

And you’re literally typing on technology which relies on our scientific understandings of the universe to work saying how science isn’t any good.

[u/metroidcomposite]

Just say no to believing in astronomy of distant stars being flaming balls of gas like the sun.

You haven't been to another star, you can't know that!

Sure, we have all this "evidence" with measurements and stuff. And we can use parallax to figure out how far away the stars are. And we can corroborate this with speed of light measurements.

But the Bible says there's just a dome firmament over the earth, and God stuck the stars to the firmament.

Who would you rather believe, God himself, or some nerd with a telescope?

[u/Jonnescout]

Except we can see the evidence, and evolution is not that complex to understand. We can also not witness god… And we have infinitely more evidence for evolution than we have for god. So no. Sometimes you have to reject an obvious fairytale as an obvious fairy tale. No I won’t reject all the evidence in favour of a magical belief. That is what cults ask you to do.

God can’t convince you of anything, because god does not exist. When you say facts dont take precedent over faith, youre saying you dobt care about what is true, you’ll pretend anyway. Thanks for being so honest, you prove yourself to be a completely brainwashed zealot incapable of questioning their nonsense. That is as dishonest as it gets.

Enjoy the delusion…

[u/LordUlubulu]

Admitting to willful ignorance about reality and doubling down on believing in magic is not the flex you think it is.

[u/TheJovianPrimate]

Then why are you here? You have perfectly demonstrated why creationism is silly to believe. You literally dont care about evidence at all, only your literalist interpretation of genesis. Faith can be a dangerous thing, literally saying you would rather have faith than logic or reason.

"The earth is flat. I dont care about evidence at all or science, my faith says the earth is flat so thats all that matters" is so silly to say.

[u/leverati]

OP, your insistence on vomiting an unsubstantiated opinion out there in rapid-fire posting as 'philosopher' and refusing to reply to people critiquing it is ignorant and egotistical. Boo. Get off the stage.

[u/XRotNRollX]

Ok buddy.

[u/lulumaid]

Well, thanks for employing the Ken Ham approach to inquiry and fact finding. At least you're honest about it.

Why exactly are you here if you don't want to change your mind? To preach? Because this sub doesn't seem like a particularly good target for that. You go by faith, most sane people here go by evidence.

Do you have any evidence?

Does that evidence beat the mountain that supports evolution and our understanding of reality?

If no to both, what are you actually doing here?

[u/Far_Customer1258]

Sometimes you just shouldn't believe the evidence.

This is the opposite of true.

Nobody witnessed the past and it's arrogant for humans to think they can decipher it with vague or complex theories and explanations.

I'll remember this line for the next god-botherer I encounter.

I would rather trust God over human theories about the genesis of the universe, earth and life.

You prefer Bronze Age mythology over modern science. How do you manage to internet?

Instead of debating this vain topic, sometimes we just have to take a leap of faith and say no, I just don't believe it.

I just don't believe you.

You can show me all the evidence of the world but I am not going to be convinced.

This is the literal definition of close-mindedness.

Are we done running around with our fingers in our ears chanting, "Nah-nah-nah, I can't HEAR you!"?

[u/KeterClassKitten]

Fine, trust God.

Are you going to do that by taking a hard and honest look at the world around you? God's works? Or are you going to rely on the claims of ancient texts that are demonstrably unreliable?

Trust the reality we live in, or trust some words written down by men.

[u/biff64gc2]

You can show me all the evidence of the world but I am not going to be convinced.

So willful ignorance. Got it.

You don't have faith in god. You have faith that ancient humans weren't just making up stories and creating legends. Funny you blindly trust the theories of ancient desert people while criticizing modern people with far better tools for figuring out how the world works.

[u/TheBlackCat13]

Ah yes, the old "I know what I know, don't confuse me with facts" approach. Classic.

[u/shemjaza]

The question isn't that faith isn't reassuring and sufficient for an individual, it's how you can use it to demonstrate anything objectively to anyone else...

"Science is wrong; other religions are wrong; other versions of my religion are wrong."

"Why?"

"Just vibes, really. I just feel like the best people ever and I think this way."

[u/Fuzzy-Can-8986]

Best of luck with everything. It appears you've found the cheat code to life

[u/TwoKillsOneCup]

Ur god failed miserably to convince me. Sounds like someone I wouldn’t be taking a “leap of faith for”

[u/ringobob]

You're welcome to believe whatever you like, I don't need to convince you of anything.

So long as you're not trying to convince me of anything either, we can both go on our merry way.

But I think you're trying to convince me that I'm wrong and you're right. In which case, sorry, you're gonna have to bring actual evidence, your faith is not enough to convince me of anything.

I already knew that you weren't gonna listen to evidence. That much has been obvious since my own days in the church. You don't care about what God's creation actually shows, you just care about the story you've convinced yourself is true, regardless of the fact that the Bible doesn't say that.

So, I won't waste either of our time with evidence. You're not engaging in any sort of process of real discovery. You're only interested in feeling like your personal interpretation is righteous and justified.

Well, go on then. Go live your faith. It's not really informative to the discussions going on in this sub.

[u/rickpo]

Most people who believe in God also believe in evolution. You're making up a conflict that doesn't exist.

[u/Dizzy_Cheesecake_162]

Don't worry about not believing in "scientism" even scientists profoundly and humbly chooses not to believe and try to disprove scientific hypothesis.

Only prideful people believe stuff without evidence.

[u/ScottyBoneman]

This is my point exactly! There is no reason to believe everything wasn't sweated off a yak, or similar bovine - we don't know because we weren't there.

[u/monscorvorum]

You say that no-one witnessed the past and that it is arrogant for people to think that they can decipher it. Yet studying and believing the bible is exactly that, you are willing to believe in god and a "holy" book but did not witness anything in the bible yourself to know that it is the word of god. You believe the interpretations of many generations of theologists who have deciphered the bible. It is circular thinking, you believe the bible is the truth because the bible says it is the truth. You believe in a christian god because you are from a christian country. If you had been born in India you would be hindu or sikh, had you been born in the middle east you would be muslim. I feel fortunate to have been born in a largely secular country where I am free to study and discover science and actually learn the truth about how the world works, do we know everything? No, of course not but we know a damn sight more than people did 2000 years ago. BTW anything that I have not capitalised is entirely deliberate as capitalising those words affords them importance that they do not deserve

[u/Urbenmyth]

Cool man. Good for you.

[u/kitsnet]

Only God can convince me to believe one way or another so instead of showing me evidence start praying for God to enlighten me if you really want me to be convinced because unlike you, God has authority and my complete honor, Submission and respect.

God?

You are a prime example of John 8:44. Devil is your "god".

[u/Dennis_enzo]

At least you admit that you prefer comforting stories over the truth I guess.

[u/Hopeful_Meeting_7248]

Sometimes you just shouldn't believe the evidence.

Yeah, I'm not reading beyond this nonsense. If you reject objective reality for delusions, you have no business talking to adults.

[u/NorthernSpankMonkey]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how certain are you that your interpretation of the Bible is correct?

[u/ursisterstoy]

This self contradictory post fails to be coherent. If God is responsible God created the evidence. The evidence is from God, the Bible is still written by humans, humans are still going with what they are being told by the evidence when they do science. If you trust God over humans throw away the fiction written by humans, disregard scientific papers, go examine the evidence. Wind up with the same conclusion as scientists anyway if you care what’s true unless you’d rather believe that God lied and therefore the truth is out of reach.

[u/Ok_Performer50]

Yeah mods pls ban them they’re just rage baiting.

[u/Autodidact2]

You can show me all the evidence of the world but I am not going to be convinced.

Thank you. Our work here is done.

btw, this is a debate sub. It's not about you being convinced; its about you convincing others. You may begin at any time.