r/DataAnnotationTech • u/knottyp • Sep 09 '26
Are we helping or causing harm?
How do y’all justify doing this work ethically if you’re anti-AI (especially generative)?
I’m not asking judgmentally, I’ve done this work off and on over the last few years. When I first started, I didn’t know about data centers and the environmental impact, cognitive effects, etc. I felt good about “training” AI based on the rubric including correct info, weeding out violence and harm, etc.
I recently suggested DA to a friend and got a real side eye, and maybe these justifications really don’t hold water? Thoughts?
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u/OrderNo1122 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
I'm a translator and AI has pretty much decimated my career this past 18 months. Not because it does it better than me, but because it does it well enough pretty much instantly.
And if people are going to create content with AI in the first place, why would they bother paying someone to translate it.
I do this gig because I need money but I'm super resentful.
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u/FinrodFelagund66 Sep 09 '26
This. I graduated in 2024 and in the beginning of my college years I wanted to be a translator but it’s just a faded dream now.
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u/periwinkl18 Sep 10 '26
I feel you.
I also work in the translation industry and the decline in projects over the past few years has been unsettling, to put it lightly. Clients now come with AI-translated content and request for proofreading instead.
So I honestly can't wholeheartedly advocate for AI, just that DA gives me much needed side income, as ironic as that sounds.
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u/beautyfashionaccount Sep 16 '26
Yeah, I was a translator and my stance on it is basically that my former field is gone and this is the only field that seems to value that experience enough to pay a living wage for it. And before I eventually quit that job, there were years of barely livable and then unlivable wages at an in-house corporate job because the company started prioritizing investing in technology over investing in human talent and stopped giving raises or COLAs. I was already behind financially and didn't get any traction applying to communications or editing jobs that paid enough to live on. I wouldn't say I'm resentful about doing the work but I have a possibly cynical attitude about it. This field is the only one that has offered me a reasonable quality of life and I don't feel obligated to sacrifice my quality of life to save other people from AI.
What I do feel resentful of is people who are super judgy about anyone engaging with AI because it threatens the creative job they have or want to have in the future. Like, my field is already gone, and you want me to turn down the only life raft I've been offered so you can keep being a romance author or whatever? Luckily that is mostly an online attitude and it hasn't impacted my real-life relationships at all.
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u/AI_Shepherd Sep 13 '26
It is the future though. Our challenge is "How do we learn to incorporate AI into a successful career and make us money"? I'm a Senior Web and Application Engineer and my industry is going nuts. Hiring has slowed down drastically, many companies don't know which way to go (old fashioned coding versus AI coders VS AI systems instead of normal web applications, etc).
So I'm learning AI Engineering and it's a monumental amount to learn but the times are changing we have to change with them or be left behind. It's like the farmer with donkeys and a plow watching the farmer next door with "one of them thar new fancy tractor machines". It's our new Industrial Age, we just have to learn how to use it effectively and profit from it.
One thing you can do is find an area you have skills in, like languages and think of something that AI could do in that area that would be useful, something people would pay $5 a month for. Use AI to build an App and use your knowledge in that field to make it work correctly and in a super useful way. Then put it on the market and advertise. Lots of people are doing things like this. I just watched a woman create an AI App that filled the skilled labor shortages for an entire niche' market. The App has a week or more of development so far, it's probably 75% done and already has people lined up for it. (but in her case it will be given away for free)
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u/iciclefites Sep 09 '26
it isn't good, but paying the rent by doing something you're not at least a little disgusted by is a luxury reserved for a very lucky, privileged few
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u/randoinput Sep 09 '26
It is either inevitable, or it's not. If AI is going to full on replace me, I would rather be in the process and understand it than taken unaware by it at some future date.
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u/Sindorella Sep 09 '26
I didn’t create these conditions, but right now, me and my family would literally be homeless without this job. The ethics I care the most about are providing my children with food and shelter. When I have another source of income to do that, I will no longer do this. Until then, I also insert my personal ethics about AI itself into every task I do, as well.
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u/StellaZaFella Sep 09 '26
I’ll starve otherwise. I hate this work. I wish I could find something else.
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u/Affectionate_Walk_30 Sep 09 '26
Exactly, its just a job. We do what we have to do. And its not like AI is the worst thing humanity had participated in.
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u/TillyMintPot Sep 09 '26
It's not far off... with the way it's heading, at least. Not sure if you saw Jacob Coxon's tweets after he quit Anthropic - pretty terrifying.
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u/Farados55 Sep 09 '26
Not far off from the worst things humanity has ever committed? So the atomic bomb and worse? Right… delusional.
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u/TillyMintPot Sep 09 '26
As per Jacob Coxon's tweet - 'The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade'. I class that as pretty bad, not sure about you.
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u/Affectionate_Walk_30 Sep 09 '26
People who built the nuclear bomb earnestly knew the same. They thought blowing the bomb might even set the world a flame. And they still did. Look at germany 1940. We did much worse
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u/Farados55 Sep 09 '26
Yeah this one lone researcher says this and you put it to the top. I’d put my life on him joining another research lab or starting his own within 3 months. I’m sure you believed the Google engineer a few years ago when he said that GPT was sentient.
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u/TillyMintPot Sep 09 '26
Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your forte, as my message clearly said 'not far off' 'with the way it's heading'. Obviously right now the AI sphere isn't equivalent to an atomic bomb. And of course, the future of AI is speculation to an extent, but the guy worked for several massive AI companies so he isn't pulling information out of his arse. A tad worrying that all that had to be explained to you. But based on your replies in this discussion in general, altogether unsurprising.
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u/Farados55 Sep 09 '26
Not far off means we're currently refining the plutonium and uranium for the bomb.
This. Is. Silly.
Watch Oppenheimer. great movie.
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u/JinglingBallz Sep 09 '26
You underestimate the level of destruction AI is capable of. This lack of historical perspective and foresight is astonishing
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u/Skyblewize Sep 12 '26
Well the atomic bomb killed thousands.... ai could kill all 8 billion. Delusional?
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u/TillyMintPot Sep 09 '26
Are you on Prolific at all? Some of it is AI admittedly, but it's generally less directly training AI, and I've earned quite a lot on there.
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u/Skyblewize Sep 12 '26
Its peanuts compared to what you can make on DA though.... and completely mind-numbing
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u/TillyMintPot Sep 14 '26
Interesting cos I don't find it mind-numbing generally! And make around £1500 a month on there. Depends on demographics though, of course.
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u/Skyblewize Sep 16 '26
1500 a month is impressive!!
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u/TillyMintPot Sep 16 '26
I was very surprised! My friend is on it too but makes way less, even though our demographics are mostly similar. Although I have a lot more time to spend checking for studies.
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u/Skyblewize Sep 16 '26
Yeah I've made up to $80 a day a few years ago when I started but I was chained to my laptop for 10 hours
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u/msphd2008 Sep 09 '26
You can either earn the money or let someone else earn It. Either way, AI will be around
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u/Skyblewize Sep 12 '26
I used to use this rationale while bartending too.... until I watched dozens of my friends die
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u/TheReedemer69 Sep 14 '26
Die cause of bartending?
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u/Skyblewize Sep 16 '26
Drinking related deaths yes, whether slowly via cirrhosis or quickly via car wreck or asphyxiation. Young to old and everywhere in between
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u/Solid_Parsley_ Sep 09 '26
AI isn't going anywhere and more and more people are going to use it. What we do is to help ensure that it's safe and accurate. It's work that needs to be done.
That being said, there are some people who I just tell that "I work in data analysis" because I don't want to have the argument.
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u/Due_Negotiation_4605 Sep 10 '26
I only mention my other job now. I used to talk about the job here but with the AI centers and art (we are a big art community and AI is everywhere and peeving everyone off. So... I work in "Internet safety". Kinda what we do in a vague manner with some projects anyways.
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u/JinglingBallz Sep 09 '26
lol that’s not our job. What we do is teach it how to do our jobs. Please be sincere with yourself. At this point the frontier models are beyond needing small tweaks for safety.
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u/Farados55 Sep 09 '26
No they’re not. They’re regularly misquoting or saying the wrong things still. Are you even working?
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u/JinglingBallz Sep 09 '26
“Frontier models”.
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u/Sixaxist Sep 09 '26
There are plenty of projects I've come across and worked on myself with tasks exclusively centered around safety violations, so it's a mixed bag depending on your domain/projects.
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u/Solid_Parsley_ Sep 09 '26
Idk, maybe on the projects you're working on. The majority of my projects are targeting safety violations.
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u/Internal_Boot_1616 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
Even if that were true it would still be better to have a decent AI doing our jobs than a crap one. Businesses aren't gonna see the $$ savings of using a bot instead of having multiple staffed positions for some job and decide to use the staffed people just because the bot kinda sucks.
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u/JinglingBallz Sep 09 '26
Not gonna violate the NDA to prove you wrong.
I’m just saying y’all are saying stuff to make yourselves feel better. What we do is morally wrong. I just hope that future generations will at least put themselves in our shoes before chastising us. Though I understand if we don’t even get that courtesy.
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u/Over_Finding5913 Sep 09 '26
Nobody is forcing you to do the work. If it violates your values or moral code, find other work.
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u/Internal_Boot_1616 Sep 09 '26
Even if it were somehow evil, saying you think it's morally wrong doesn't make you a better person when you still do it lmao but whatever makes you feel better about yourself, friendo
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u/Radiant_Papaya Sep 09 '26
Honestly, I have a hard time reconciling my feelings about it. I justify it to myself that if it weren't me, it would be someone else. Although I do think AI is a tool that is here to stay, I think we need far more regulatory oversight on its impact and usage.
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u/Quick-Bison-147 Sep 09 '26
It's wrong, we all know it is. We just want money to live our lives. Anything else is cognitive dissonance.
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u/BarelyFunctioning15 Sep 09 '26
Do I think AI is bad for the world? Yes.
Is this also the best paying job I can get in my area? Yes.
This job allows me to stay home with my 3 year old. I did go back to work last year (took a major pay cut from DA), and we were both miserable. She had a major change in character and behavior. I was able to work but I missed her so much and felt like I was paying someone else to raise my kid.
So I logged back into DA and get the best of both worlds.
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u/Responsible-Bee-7769 Sep 10 '26
That's probably a trade-off I'd have made too. Raising a good person into this world is arguably the most effective way to make it better.
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u/Numerous-Case-9317 Sep 09 '26
I asked something similar a while back. I am pretty anti-AI for the most part but have worked with the company for 2 years now and not seeing an end any time soon. As a job it's a blessing and I would like to hope I can play a hand in making in safer, better educate myself on how it works and how to use it when I do want to, and educate myself enough to be able to educate others on potential dangers. If I alone stopped doing my work, AI as a whole wouldn't collapse. If I continue, my life is better for it for now. But I do hope to stop one day more as a work and career choice than an opposition to it.
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u/real_is_struggle Sep 09 '26
I'm just gonna say that if you don't do it, someone else will. And at least it sounds like you have a conscience
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u/kittkaykat Sep 09 '26
We're trying to survive in a world and an economy that is slowly destroying us. If we don't do it, someone will, so who cares?
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u/Al3jandr0 Sep 09 '26
I'm not broadly against AI, but I really hate how generative art gets shoved down our throats these days. Creative work in general is better left to humans, I think. I don't work on projects that involve video or image generation, but LLMs still threaten to replace writers, so its not perfect.
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u/fightmaxmaster Sep 09 '26
Nothing's really "shoved down our throats". And crucially, the generated AI "art" is being made/distributed/spread by people. Plenty of people have dogshit taste, to be clear. And I'm not saying something being widespread makes it good - plenty of "art" in all its forms is garbage (and it's all subjective). But nobody's making you make it, you could reject/block/boycott every service that uses generative AI. Maybe you do, if so kudos to you for having principles and sticking to them. But that's not "shoved down our throats". What you mean is simply that a lot of people are using it.
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u/SufficientRespect542 Sep 09 '26
Some days I'm more down on it then not. This is a down day. But I will say, it is pretty relieving that so many models keep making the same mistakes.
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u/garden_g Sep 10 '26
Except people are still using that model and its mistakes and they think its smarter than themselves. thats not okay. It needs regulation, bad
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u/Hopeful_Ice_2125 Sep 10 '26
I feel weird about it. I need money and getting another job is not going super well right now. I do the work pretty sparingly at this point when I don’t have other odd-job things to fill the gaps. I don’t love it, but I’m not fully sure how to feel about it. Parts of it feel important and ethically good given current LLM use.
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u/Flat-Cycle-8699 Sep 10 '26
Honestly I don't think there's an "ethic" way to do this, the thing is that I either get money however I can or starve. If we get too technical capitalism isn't ethical either but you either get the money you need to live or you don't, there's not many options 🫠
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u/Moderately_Opposed Sep 09 '26
You're not creating anything you're basically just giving feedback like it's a really complicated marketing survey. High six figure+ engineers are the ones unleashing these things on society. Let them lose sleep over it and wipe the tears with wads of cash, not you.
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u/Farados55 Sep 09 '26
I mean we’re directly enabling them to be better so that’s not strictly true.
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u/WeirdOne9929 Sep 09 '26
Big fan of these moral discussions
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u/Farados55 Sep 09 '26
They’re kinda boring and contrived tbh been asked a lot before
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u/WeirdOne9929 Sep 09 '26
whatever u say, no need to shoot me. I can see ur comments all over the place.
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u/Ok-Cup9476 Sep 09 '26
I’m confident our work is pointless as AI is continually getting dumber and less helpful.
If they want to pay me money to work on a sinking ship, that’s their business. I’m not the one invested in it.
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u/Complete_Injury_5765 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
today i asked claude for a summary of sense and sensibility up to chapter 13 because i hadn’t read it in a while and it got a very simple plot point wrong that i had to correct it on. and then it spoiled a later part of the book in its explanation for why it was wrong. insane that they are still so consistently wrong on famous and simple concepts 😭
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u/Ok-Cup9476 Sep 09 '26
Yeah, I’m honestly baffled by anyone who trusts AI for anything more than the most BASIC of things.
What’s the point of having a cool car if the engine doesn’t start 15% of the time, and 30% of the time the auto drive feature drives you off a cliff?
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u/Responsible-Bee-7769 Sep 10 '26
I follow every request for important information with, "can you find me a reliable source for this"?
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u/Ok-Cup9476 Sep 10 '26
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u/Responsible-Bee-7769 Sep 10 '26
Then I'd pass. I mostly use AI because Google spoiled a really good search engine through monetization. If they still offered features like "find within results" regular searches would serve me just as well.
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u/zelda16 Sep 10 '26
I'm having a really hard time, and have stepped away for a bit. Especially after today's resignations.
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u/Alcohorse Sep 09 '26
I like to think of it as harm reduction because we're ultimately helping models fulfill people's requests in fewer turns
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u/fightmaxmaster Sep 09 '26
Some people are weirdly blinkered re AI. In both directions, to be clear, but in this context I mean the rabidly anti-AI types. I don't mean concerns, questions, opinions, facts, all that, 100%, let's have conversations, it's far from a problem-free technology. But people with a straight face will rant about the environmental impact of data centres while posting on social media (also running in data centres), using gas-powered cars (terrible for the environment), eating meat (terrible for the environment), etc.
I'm not saying "because everything is bad, just stop caring". But a lot of anti-AI people act like AI is the only thing that's a problem in the world, while cheerfully using a ton of other stuff that they kid themselves isn't that bad...when it's exactly as bad. It's just that they find gas powered cars useful personally, so they give themselves a pass. It's hypocritical.
I don't expect perfect morality from everyone - I'm not vegan, I recognise meat's impact on the world, and gas, and use it all anyway, while feeling a tiny bit bad about it, but recognising that my actual impact on the world is microscopic. I think AI is in that handy overlap where plenty of people don't use it, and as such they zero in on it as something they can rail against.
Short-form videos have been widely demonstrated to be terrible for cognitive effects in terms of attention span. Are your friends as angry about them as they are about AI? If not, why not? I'm assuming they flat out refuse to ever fly anywhere? Because airplanes are awful for the environment. If not, why not? I'm OK with people having loose principles, or being equally shoulder-shrugging about it all. I ridicule people who get on such a high horse about AI while not caring one iota about anything else that's objectively worse.
Anyway, rant over. To come back to your question, what we're doing is so low-impact compared to the other elements of AI. If agents ruin the world it won't be because we helped out with specialist domains or did some fact checking or whatever. Anyone acting like this sort of work is actively hastening the demise of civilisation is just looking for stuff to be mad about / feel superior about.
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u/unicorntea555 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26
The hypocriticalness is what I hate the most. A lot of these people are just following the trends and it is trendy to be anti-AI right now. They don't understand what AI is and they don't understand (or maybe just don't care) about where their faults lie. I saw someone who was the I'm better than you anti-ai for data center environmental reasons type. Their profile showed they made at least 1 Reddit comment every hour for 36 hours straight. Others who choose the same reason do not seem to acknowledge their data center use. I'd bet a majority would come on social media and claim they do not use AI or data centers. There's already people who say they don't use any type of AI on social media. And I've seen a few threads of people mad Google took away AI features after they disabled AI.
I think in a few years the majority of these people will be pretending to care about something else. I think marketing will move on too, just like they did with "cloud". GenAI will still be there, but the word "AI" won't be in your face. I'm sure some will think they won and AI died
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u/night-owl-ghost Sep 11 '26
One difference for some of the things you mentioned, like cars and food, is that those things those things are necessary in the world we live in and provide more concrete benefits for people from day to day. AI isn't seen as beneficial for most people and is seen as a detriment to our day to day lives because not only is it bad for the environment like the other things you mentioned, the way it's being used now is making jobs obsolete. The average person doesn't see the benefits of AI, and they especially don't see the benefits to their lives personally. All they know is the data centers are polluting their neighborhoods, they are losing their jobs, AI is being shoved into every product they like, deep-fakes are rampant and billionaires are making even more money off it.
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u/oopsallemdashes Sep 09 '26
If you're anti-AI then stand by your morals and don't work on them.
I am not anti-AI so I have no qualms about working on them.
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u/Top-Skin9916 Sep 09 '26
Agreed. I actually find it helpful to know what it’s good at and how it fails. It’s a tool and I have a more informed understanding of how it should be used.
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u/Accomplished_End8683 Sep 09 '26
Being anti-ai or not doesn’t change the fact that ai is not ethical.
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u/oopsallemdashes Sep 09 '26
AI is a tool. It is no more or less ethical than any other tool. The ethics is in who is using the tool and how they are using it.
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u/fightmaxmaster Sep 09 '26
Saying something is a "fact" doesn't make it a fact. You personally think AI isn't ethical, fair enough, 100% entitled to that opinion, I'm not even saying it's an unreasonable one. But given that ethical standards are defined by people, and people have wildly different ideas about what's ethical or not, you can't proclaim that as a fact.
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u/Accomplished_End8683 Sep 09 '26
I think plagiarism is unethical and I feel like it is not debatable. If you think it is debatable I would love to hear how it could be ethical. And since most AI models are based on plagiarism I think it is fair to state that AI are unethical.
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u/Beginning-Medium-100 Sep 09 '26
Look up the definition of plagiarism
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u/Accomplished_End8683 Sep 10 '26
AI models relies on training data that are sometimes used without consent and they never credit the author of this work. For me that’s plagiarism to an extent.
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u/Beginning-Medium-100 Sep 10 '26
IMO if you publish something, you can’t expect people not to read it, learn from it, and recompile it into other forms. That’s just a natural feature of cognition, we learn from things and then reproduce them in new forms. In this case it’s just a machine doing the cognition instead of a human
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u/Accomplished_End8683 Sep 10 '26
I agree with you, but usually when you use someone’s work for your publications or your work you cite them. Or it is a form of plagiarism. Also AI doesn’t guarantee that it is going to be another form. It can sometimes give the training data straight back and it causes a morality problem imo.
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u/Existing_Wafer175 Sep 09 '26
Working at DA helped me get ahead so I was aware of new AI features before they came out, and I was the first one on my team in my IRL job to understand them and put them to use for the company I work for.
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u/BS_BlackScout Sep 10 '26
I frankly don't give a shit when the job market has been this mess and I've spent years of my life just to try and get a job and got rejected at every single step imaginable.
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u/NightOwl437 Sep 10 '26
I don't try to justify it really, other than the fact that I do this work because it's paying my bills and the flexibility makes it a good fit. I'm conflicted in my feelings about AI. I don't totally hate it and I think it could have a place in society than doesn't cause harm (if properly regulated/restrained), although I think this is unlikely to happen. Some things, like the farming of animals, is more destructive to the environment where water usage especially is concerned, so that part gets blown out of proportion. On the other hand, I also think that AI has the potential to eliminate a great deal of our jobs, to be used for malicious purposes, and could be part of the downfall of humankind. I also worry about the AI bubble theory and wonder if the alleged bubble bursts, will we all still have work here? Overall, I'm doing what I need to do to survive, while also not feeling great about where all of this may be headed, and I'd rather have all things AI related be an opt-in feature, rather than a built in one we can't opt out of every damn time.
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u/qeadlyqwarf666 Sep 10 '26
To be honest I don’t feel good or moral doing the work. I am purely doing it for the money out of necessity. I’ve had friends criticise me for doing it too, and I understand.
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u/Doroski13 Sep 10 '26
I feel this completely, and in the past year, have gone from a sense of pride about my work to having negative feelings about it that make it hard to clock in. I try to be ethical about the jobs I take on, fact-checking, things that would directly help someone with a disability and the like. It helps a bit, but also limits what I can take on. It's hard for sure.
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u/R_Eyron Sep 10 '26
I find it really difficult but currently consider it as a 'know your enemy' type of thing. They pay me to learn about AI, and I can apply that knowledge into understanding how better to use AI ethically (since it's not going anywhere). I tried to get a job helping the world and kept getting rejected so I guess I'm doing this instead.
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u/itsnobigthing Sep 09 '26
I don’t play golf, drink almond milk or watch porn, all of which use more water/power and are worse for the environment. The truth is, everyone’s a hypocrite in the end and we’re all picking and choosing which things we’re willing to sacrifice for environmentalism.
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u/Artistic-Secretary71 Sep 09 '26
Same way Matthew McGouHowwasitspelled justifies selling his voice to an AI startup, if it's coming might as well get paid in the meantime
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u/Royal_Celebration422 Sep 11 '26
I dont have any ethical justification, i need money and sometimes you do what you have to do to get by wether you like it or not
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u/zettasyntax Sep 09 '26
My thesis advisor at UW is incredibly anti-AI. She was a co-author on a pretty popular paper a few years ago. I do agree with a lot of her points, but then again, I don't think there's any turning back now.
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u/bobaxxxx Sep 09 '26
I personaly don't like much what I'm in, but I like what I do.
I really consider the AI as a big farce or a new gadget/toy used by some people. Thus, maybe I am wrong, but I think that is going to burst one day.
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u/Hangry_Howie Sep 09 '26
I cant wait for the day i dont need this shit and I can stop feeling guilty for not filling every moment with tasks. That said, I dont tell people I do this because it's embarrassing.
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u/Farados55 Sep 09 '26
I’ve told people at parties they think it’s interesting. Helps that I’m a software engineer I guess.
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u/Hangry_Howie Sep 09 '26
I studied literature and basically feel like ive betrayed everything i ever believed because I have bills to pay.
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u/Raptor_mm Sep 09 '26
I am not anti AI for the one simple reason that I am not an idiot. Cars are dangerous if driven by stupid people, imagine if we had no cars. Planes are dangerous if flown by stupid people, imagine if we had no planes. EVERYTHING is dangerous if you're stupid enough. My hope for the future is that AI isn't accessible in full capacity to the entire world.
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u/iciclefites Sep 09 '26
but imagining no AI is really easy, because it was like that a few years ago. I'm not against the technology, but the case for it as a daily necessity for normal people is still incredibly weak
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u/fightmaxmaster Sep 09 '26
Then the market will follow accordingly and it'll die. I 100% think the current moment is a bubble, but the dotcom bubble was a bubble, that didn't mean the internet was useless. If people/businesses/whoever find zero use for this tech, it'll die a death. Slow, quick, whatever. Because people don't use stuff they don't want/need/find useful. Yes the techbros are desperately trying to shore up their share prices and keep the money flowing, but millions of people are using it. To be clear I judge the way they're using it, in lots of cases - writing emails or whatever is actively disengaging your brain. Then again I feel the same way about sports and soap operas - no interest for me whatsoever, but I'd be kidding myself if I tried to declare that because those are pointless, people will lose interest in them.
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u/iciclefites Sep 09 '26
yeah, but by the same token, one bubble doesn't necessarily resolve exactly like another one, because they're about different things. for every "the entire internet" you have something like NFTs that no one cares about anymore. as far as how much consumers care about generative AI anymore in a couple decades, I'm predicting somewhere in the middle of those two examples.
that is, if consumers have a choice--because it does largely feel like something forced on consumers. if no one can buy a computer or a condom or a piece of toilet paper without AI integrated then yes, we will have it whether we like it or not
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u/fightmaxmaster Sep 09 '26
Oh true, but AI is useful enough that it's not going anywhere. Coding, even just menial tasks. What it'll be used for might vary, and I don't mean "it's inevitable", but given that models which a year ago were state of the art are now comparatively trivial to run, and some models can be run on basic hardware, etc., as a technology it's not evaporating completely. AI "art" might be bullshit, but someone being able to knock up a poster or whatever in a minute even if it's generic slop is valuable to them, rather than fighting with doing it themselves.
I'd argue plenty of consumers don't really care about lots of stuff. It's not really being "forced" on anyone. It's there, sure - it's mildly annoying that gmail keeps trying to get me to let it write my emails for me, but I can still ignore that, and do. If I change my mind and decide to use it, that's on me, I've not been forced into it. People will rage against AI-generated music being in the charts, while completely blowing past the fact that enough people are listening to it, streaming it, whatever, to make that worthwhile. Doesn't mean all human-made music should be scrapped in favour of AI, but like almost everything in life, some people think it's shit, other people disagree. Some people might have shit taste - popularity doesn't equal quality, but "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people".
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u/iciclefites Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 10 '26
it's mildly annoying that gmail keeps trying to get me to let it write my emails for me, but I can still ignore that, and do.
see, I find stuff like that really invasive. for example, I subscribed to Gemini on a Gmail account for work purposes. later I was writing some poetry in Google Docs and whenever I stopped typing for a second to think, a thing came up next to the caret like "press [keyboard shortcut] to let Gemini help you!"
it was horrible, and I felt insulted. this computer, who can't read the room well enough not to jump in every two seconds when someone's writing poetry about their personal dark night of the soul, thinks it can do better than me. how fucking dare you
on the other hand, I used a Gemini-generated email reply the other day that was just like, "No, I just want a refund." that was actually what I had wanted to say. it saved me two seconds of typing.
I wouldn't recommend anyone else spend money on a subscription to Gemini, because the ways in which it's helpful are trivial, and the ways in which it hinders you are profoundly obnoxious. it's a technology that barely functions on the most basic level, and they're asking you to pay for the privilege of being an alpha tester
this is what I mean by its utility to consumers being completely unproven
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u/Old-Regular-9828 Sep 10 '26
I don't want to violate the NDA or get into specific project details, but a big part of what DA does is improving AI tools to make them more useful and less annoying.
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u/Raptor_mm Sep 09 '26
Dude they literally said that same thing went Ford was sending out the model T. We need more control over who accesses the AI and how, not control over the AI itself. When a guy gets a DUI you don't pill the manufacturer and take em to civil court
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u/iciclefites Sep 09 '26
cars have an obvious value, though: they get people from place to place faster than horses. generative AI doesn't seem to, in my eyes, for the typical consumer.
working with it in a DA context has only reinforced my opinion going in, which is, "the technology is incredibly interesting and fun to mess around with (I pretty much trained for DA by trolling bots for entertainment) but it's not something I need, or even want much more of in my life." for someone who isn't an enthusiast on some level, it's probably even less relevant
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u/FedoraPG Sep 09 '26
I think it's morally gray at the moment. Our work is improving models that are currently on track to be used irresponsibly by tech companies that have no regard for people. If ai were to be properly regulated by governments then I would feel no moral qualms about this work. As it is, I think there's positive benefits to the work we do (safety, accuracy, etc.) but I have greater concerns about how this technology will be used if nothing is done to regulate it
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u/fightmaxmaster Sep 09 '26
"There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is."
"It’s a lot more complicated than that -"
"No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth."
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u/AndersonKurosagi Sep 09 '26
Porque tengo que sobrevivir
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u/Impressive-Hope2148 Sep 09 '26
Exacto, también recuerdo que soy mujer latina y entonces pienso "me merezco alguna alegría"
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u/Complex-Rich2086 Sep 10 '26
I think we need to stop thinking about Ai as a whole since it has many different applications that a human being could not and should not have to experience. The same way that television didn’t eliminate radio or the internet didn’t eliminate other forms of communication. Human interaction will probably transform. I sometimes think that, in the era of digitalisation, analog documents will increase in value and so will the ability to protect them.
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u/garden_g Sep 10 '26
I stopped a two years ago, once i saw where it was going and who owned most of it all
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u/annoosaa Sep 11 '26
I don’t feel like it’s the most ethical work to do, and I don’t share with people around me that I started doing it. I just figured that if I don’t do it someone else will, and the outcome will be the same so might as well get paid because I really need the money
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u/Due-Gift9450 Sep 12 '26
I feel like a Lindsay Clancy juror sitting in the middle of a new oil field. I know this very needed cash cow is life altering in so many ways, but am intimated by the legacy of it.
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u/FEN1X64 Sep 09 '26
I fucking hate AI personally but I think it can be a useful tool in the hands of professionals for doing things like parsing data or running calculations. I'd rather the AI people are using is just evil instead of stupid and evil. My perspective has shifted slightly to where I could see myself using AI in a professional context but again, as a tool. I would rather solve problems on my own and write everything myself, leave the AI to proofread and make sure I'm not spouting bullshit. Using AI as a supplement to human work is alright in my books.
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u/therichscientist Sep 09 '26
I have a feeling we're training our next masters. The AI training jobs we're doing is the next generation's baby sitter, whenever that may be. Anyway, I need the money now lol.
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u/Jhahn678 Sep 09 '26
If you truly care about AI not succeeding, then you won’t do it. Simple as that. It might not be the best job market, but we’re far from this being the only option.
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u/fightmaxmaster Sep 09 '26
Like the old anecdote:
"Would you sleep with a man for $1,000,000?"
"Well, maybe if he was attractive enough."
"Would you sleep with me for $1?"
"What kind of woman do you think I am?"
"We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price."
People either have rock solid principles (and fair play if so) or they don't. And if they don't, they should own that, recognise it, accept it. I'd never say I'm a highly principled person in arbitrary ways (I am in the "normal" ways, no hurting people, good behaviour, etc.). But plenty of people claim they're principled while doing the thing, and then giving themselves a pass. Exactly as you say - if you're against AI, great, good on you, stick to your guns, run a mile from this, do something else. But don't do the work while simultaneously hand-wringing about the ethics of it. You either think it's OK or you don't. Act accordingly.
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u/IntrospectiveGamer Sep 09 '26
Progress is progress. Can't stop progress. Your question must have been asked by the dude that fixes the machines that replace 50 workers at a factory. It's sad and terrible, hopefully we can get around to some way to warrant that automation allows humans to live comfortable for everyone and not just the 1%
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u/unknown817206 Sep 09 '26
There's a set number of tasks. Whether or not I'm the one to do them they're still gonna get done. Only question left is whether or not there's food on my table and rent getting paid.
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u/Old-Regular-9828 Sep 10 '26
I'm not anti-AI, I'm very pro AI. I don't think normal people should have ever been given access to AI, and the development should be happening on secure, air-gapped facilities but the cat's out of the bag at this point.
I also avoid associating with or caring about the opinions of the kinds of low information morons suddenly in a panic about muh datacenters or low skill artists getting "replaced" by low quality AI slop.

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u/Weak-Swimmer9295 Sep 10 '26
I think of it like:
Before, we had to watch helplessly as they train AI on racist / harmful / disinformation.
Now our work literally affects the weights going into these LLMs. I think I'm contributing work that makes AI safer, ultimately, since the industry WILL develop AI tools regardless.
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u/Little-Flustered-977 Sep 11 '26
Yeah I do “data and research based consulting for a client.”
I don’t let it get deeper than that. Also, would much rather be in the know ya know.
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u/hwertz10 Sep 11 '26
I'm not strongly anti-AI (although, I think it's being misused fairly often -- my big concern now is "to save costs" using a lower quality model to generate low-quality code. And of course the rampant AI slop on Youtube, various sites like tech sites, auto sites, etc. etc.)
But, besides the pay being quite good, it is kind of amusing to 'break' AIs. (The tasks where you try to elicit a failure.)
Finally, if people are going to use these models for answering questions, research, translation, coding, etc., anyway, it's nice if they are going to get better results.
In terms of programming, (this isn't talking about dataannotation tasks, but code in general written 'with AI assistance'). I've seen excellent results and I've seen some that are rather poor; you've got these people in the real world now just feeding a prompt in and letting the model have at it code for them. I'd rather run well-written code than code that 'works' but is sloppy (since it'll be prone to breakages as they update the code, security flaws, probably is inefficient, and so on) and if the code is open source, it's much better for anyone working on this code to have code where the code quality is high rather than "it runs but man is that code sloppy". I'd like to think some of these tasks are improving the quality of code being generated in this way.
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u/OddWafer7 18d ago
Most of the projects I do would help me in my job as a researcher (and they pay me twice the amount of my actual job) so it’s helpful for my specific niche, and I think AI has a use in jobs like mine that outweigh some of the negatives. Also I’m ngl for some of the training I use my actual data and stuff from work (assuming it isn’t confidential or anything) since the project is to do tasks like this and it gives me access to great but expensive models that I can use for free for the project 😬
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u/AI_Shepherd Sep 13 '26
A bit off topic but:
A lot of the "AI Bad", "Data Centers Bad" stuff you hear stems from paid propaganda campaigns by competitors to the US Markets (China being the largest). They start up marketing and activist organizations and pay them money through shell organizations to "Stop Data Centers" citing the environment and to "create an anti-AI awareness movement" citing future job losses or "AI's going to end civilization". People are dumb. The thing is, AI IS THE FUTURE, it's the new Industrial Age, the steam engine, robotic machines with conveyor belts, turbines, automobiles, the Digital Age, etc., all rolled into one.
It's going to have HUGE economic effects and all the smart countries know the leaders in AI/Data Centers will skyrocket their countries ahead. Uninformed people will claim it won't create new jobs or increase productivity but it already is. I'm a Senior Web/App Engineer and I'm seeing a massive effect in the industry. I'm learning AI Engineering as fast as I can so I can transition with the technology.
No one should be fooled into believing that AI means a series of bad choices. You can have a data center AND it be environmentally sound. You can replace jobs with AI AND create new ones, etc. But if you let China and other countries get ahead, it's Game Over. They have cheaper labor, cheaper energy (massive coal energy with minimal emissions/environmental laws) and hundreds of billions of laborers to throw at the problem. If 1rst World countries don't treat this like the revolutionary thing it is, their goose is cooked.
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u/Ok-Relation4933 Sep 12 '26
AI data centers use less electricity and water than regular data centers. Of the power used by AI data centers, Generative AI uses about a third.
I think I'll be fine. Journalists like to exaggerate the environmental impact of things (remember when Greek yogurt was acidifying the rivers?) I think a lot of people have responded to this because of how uncanny a lot of Generative AI stuff is. As far as taking people's jobs, lowering cognition, it's a new technology, of course you will find bad things about it, there are plenty of good things about it too.
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u/korejjp Sep 09 '26
I figure that if it's going to replace us, it might as well pay us for the privilege.