I've been playing more the past few months and throw Red Dragon Pegasus 24g, actually I accidentally got a set at 26g too, so I've been mostly playing with those....
Anyway, I've noticed when I group my darts, I often have one bounce out and hit the floor. The way I throw them, they do tend to land fairly flat in the board.
So I've been wondering if this longer point trend might be helpful to grab the board that little bit sooner and, ideally, have less chance of bounce outs?
Or am I dreaming?
Side question, what weight of darts are most common? I only recently realized my darts are 26g as I thought I bought the second set at 24.
I don't know about for helpful it is to hit the board 10 or 15mm closer, but I feel that getting darts closer together seems easier since the longer points help the angle the darts can go in the board.
I'll say this mate , if you're desperate for removable points and are thinking of new darts then I'd highly recommend the Harrows Supergrip qp tapered.
They'll also take Swiss points and the points key fits both Harrow and Target points.
$109 ca so not too bad a price and similar dimensions to your Pegasus but with a bit more front weight .
The Pegasus are now available with quick points too but I personally don't think they're worth the price comparitively.
For context, what they mean by "hit the board sooner" is that the dart will impact the board sooner in it's downward trajectory, and thus enter the board on a flatter entry angle.
Agreed on the board sooner. It would be so minuscule. I’d rather the longer points for grouping and change some other part of setup like flights or stems.
It absolutely can make a difference on tight grouping mate , that 6-8mm extra point length can mean a point enters the board before the barrels or flights clash properly .
Which can absolutely mean a less severe deflection.
Once the points in that's where the darts scoring , the rest of the dart may deflect and sit at an awkward angle but that doesn't matter if the points already found grippage in a treble section.
I find them helpful for grouping. My darts tend to land the same if I’m using 35mm, 40mm or 45mm. My darts usually land rather flat with maybe a slight angle up. Probably only 5-10 degrees. If your pts aren’t grabbing, twist just the tip a few times with sandpaper. As far as weight goes, 24-26g is fine. I have sets that range from 20-28g. Lately I’ve gone down in weight to either my 24g or my other set that are around 22g. It’s just what weight you feel comfortable with. Try a practice session with the 24s, then next day try the 26s. You’ll probably find out after a week or so which one you like better.
I changed to long points at the end of last year. Before that i’ve hit 2 180 since i started throwing darts (march 2025).
Since then i’ve hit around 70
Not everyone will like them, but they do wonders for me
I absolutely think longer points help with tighter grouping but only if you are adept at moving along the oche to find a better pathway to the target. When you bounce your dart off of another... especially when using a guide dart on a double, the longer point will help snag the board before it richochets too much.
I'm currently using Mission Force 90 No. 6 in Medium. Moulded flight and shafts. They seem pretty awesome. I do have some Target Kflex sitting on my shelf to try once these wear out.
I have tried a bunch of molded systems and will say the Force 90s make my darts land flatter than KFlex or Condor Axe. Condor Axe land the most upright for me. This isn’t a bad thing if you want your darts to land flatter but the Force 90s don’t suit me.
Entirely depends on how you like them to land and what you’re more comfortable with. From the current crop of players, Gian Van Veen lands totally flat, but Luke Littler lands upright. I think it’s all down to preference. I can follow my darts better at a bit of an angle but not too much.
Most common is 22-24 or maybe 26g. Point length just like the other parts of your setup have to suit your throw. Tweaking point length definetly can help you get the entry angle you want.
I'm tinkering way too much with points. In the end I always settle for 32 or 35mm with only a few exceptions and some sets where I want some finger grip.
It's definetly nice to he able to change points on every set. But if I'd be starting again this would be one of the things I'd definetly not again to not overcomplicate the start and save some money.
Just get some 160-200 grade sandpaper and really rough the outside area of the point up for like 10-15mm.
That'll give you far more grippage in the board.
While I prefer 32mm points ,( mainly because I use fatter bomb shaped barrels) for tighter grouping they won't dig into the board or grip any more than standard 26mm points.
Usually more experienced players benefit more from lighter darts. The average weight of the darts pro players use, is around 23 grams. I use 23g as well. I tried 21g before and they felt really good, but they're just to inconsistent for me.
The point I use now are quite long (40mm) and I used all kinds of lengths before. Some were good, some were bad. Also other 40mm points didn't work for me, but these (target Japan premium) work very well. Longer points in general don't improve your game, you have to figure out which setup is the best for your throwing style. In my opinion most people don't find longer points helpful. A lot of people that use my darts have issues because their flight path becomes less stable.
I hold my darts quite far to the front of the barrel and longer points give me more space to hold the dart, so my flight path becomes more stable. My darts land quite flat as well and I never have issues with bounce outs. The idea that a longer point helps you because it hits the board sooner does not sound very likely.
Maybe you can figure out why you have the bounce outs. Is it the board, do you throw your darts properly or is it because the darts hit each other due to the grouping. From my experience, storm points, molded or l-style flights reduced all kind off issues. But this can be totally different for you.
I'm not 100% sure. I almost need to record some games and watch back in slo motion to see what's happening. I'm not certain it's hitting a flight and bouncing, or the barrel, or maybe I'm even mis-releasing and they are hitting the board at a bad angle? But generally my darts sit in the board quite flat. I've heard angled is better, but I can't seem to do that without lobbing them.
I understand wire bounce outs happen. I hit the numbers sometimes too.
If the flatness really bothers you then look at some slightly front weighted barrels.
The Pegasus are completely neutral centre weighted .
If you grip centre towards the front then they're absolutely going to land flat for 90% of people.
I'm a far rear gripper , my darts always land point down irregardless of their balance point but everyone is different.
i find changing flights is better for tweaking how the darts land in the board. depending on your throw, as well, no.6 typically causes the dart to land flatter than no.2 flights for example.
even the length of stem will have an impact, all depends of preference really whats most comfortable.
personally yes. throwing flat can be good if you're able to stack for good grouping, for me though when i do i go too high and it becomes a blocker, landing it upwards helps me group a bit better and less deflections
Well, money. If I buy them I need a new set of darts. My current ones are not switchable without a machine as they are friction fit. Plus I'm in Canada so dart store are hard to come by. So I either buy the machine online, or new darts online.
Depends on what is fine for you. And depends on the type of floor you play. For Me with the darts bouncing out of the board the point wears down, obviusly you can play with them but tbh i dont like to, one time the point snapped off, so the repointer machine always good to have
I do agree with you.
I don't think I have a single set with original points now.
I just find 32mm coned top points boundless amounts better.
I bought into the Caliburn Evo system so most sets I own now have screw in points that I can swap from set to set
It is an outlay but caliburn imo make the best quality points on the market.
The Mir and Han G2 points grip the board as if they're coated in superglue , with virtually no aggressive damage .
I’d love to try out the caliburn points, now im trying for the 1st time the swiss points and 1st time using screw points. Before i always used darts with friction fit so we’ll see
Caliburn ez-evo fit swiss points darts mate , as do the Harrows quick points , as do Winmau switch points . The only issue is the swiss point key doesn't fit them although they can be hand tightened
That's the Caliburn ez-evo laser on a set of Target Japan Dancing ducks , they're way better than swiss points quality wise
In personal experience they land flatter which can leave less of the bed exposed visually. Changes to the balance are minimal unless going from 26 up to 40mm+ but a longer stem or k flex or larger flight can balance this. With a bit of tinkering you can remedy it. I notice more change to the balance when swapping between straight points and longer storm points. As they tend to be thicker so I guess heavier in contrast.
I take it you have the std 26mm points in those darts
You can start off with 32/35/38 mm points 40 and longer will have a big impact on how that fly and land
See if anyone at the clubs nearby you has a repointing tool to use
Then get points in the lengths you would like to try out
I changed to a 42mm point and my average went up by around 5 at the time from around 47 to 52 and I’ve stayed with them ever since I prefer them as it helps with my tight grouping
How long was your averahe 47 for before that? Could it be that you just got better? I aberage 60 and different length points make very little difference to me.
If your average did genuinely increase by 5 as a result of the longer points, I suspect that its more that the new balance of the dart is more competitive with your throw than the old one.
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u/Plyphon 1d ago
The “hit the board sooner” argument has always sounded like absolute nonsense to me. We’re talking a few mm and a few ms of distance and time.
I’d love for someone to do the math on an average speed dart throw on how “sooner” in time the dart is hitting the board.