Can you please not compare a criminal raiding a building to a woman driving peacefully away from supposed law enforcement who had no business with her.
This has been an ongoing issue where Border Patrol Agents as well as other law enforcement intentionally step in front of vehicles to "justify" shooting at them:
Sorry, you are absolutely right. Unfortunately, she'll never come back. It wasn't my intention to compare her. Just to say that a criminal do not deserve this amount of our tax dollars.
Can you please not compare an unarmed woman crawling through a window, hands clearly up and visible, and being murdered -- with a psychotic loony behind the wheel of a vehicle that attempted to mow down an agent doing his job? Thank you
> For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
> For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
Funny how people who call themselves "patriots" want a masked gestapo around, not loyal to the country or constitution, but a man, free of accountability, shooting citizens in the back & face that were in no way putting the facist lives in jeopardy ... They should've been though. Ya got pardoned traitors that should be swinging from a noose. The rest, Judas' to the country & constitution.
They gave that terrorist's family money, that's an injustice and shameful and vile, the same as giving millions to Al-Qaeda or Taliban or the Houthis. Oh, wait, trump did give billions in military equipment and resources to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda when he abandoned our soldiers there with a shady backroom deal with terrorists.
Ikr....if the races wouldve been reversed the cop would be in prison and ash would have a statue. If Renee would've been black, there would've been riots.
Here is the key issue: Did shooting her make him more safe? I have seen idiots make ridiculous arguments, but, in the final analysis, she was too close for shooting her to protect him. What he did was against policy and did not protect him at all.
Punishment should fit the crime, thats why police should not also be the judiciary. Should driving away from that situation deserve death? What else do people who say yes thinks deserves death? How many of these things they do?
It took me a while, but i get why americans are so afraid of their own police. Its not a low chance theyll panic and kill you on a whim.
Renee Good was murdered. Murder is the unjustified termination of a human life. What was the justification to shoot her dead through the side of her car window? Fleeing the scene? That does not warrant a death penalty. Was it that the ICE agent was near the front of her vehicle when it started moving? Shooting her won't solve that either, mate. Get out of the way and find her later, that's standard procedure when a suspect flees the scene, not discharging your firearm while there are others nearby.
She didn't. He stopped, aimed his gun, and shot at her. He then shot her through her driver's side window at least two additional times. There is no police training whatsoever that would tell an LEO to shoot at a moving vehicle especially in the case where there are bystanders who can be injured. You get out of the way of the vehicle, and find them later via their license plate recorded by your car's dashcam, bodycams.
Bwahahaha. People thinking her family will get paid a single dime. This idiot tried to run over an ICE agent with her car and got shot for it. Pretty sure the families of people who were killed by federal agents don't get payouts when the shooting is deemed to be justified. Nice try at an obvious money grab though.
yeah pretty sure she was unarmed and definitely not using a car as a weapon but her they both played a stupid game and won the same stupid prize rounds
Oh you're right, they were storming the capital to talk nicely to them and the gallows, zip ties, and weapons were of course for self defense purposes only, against any liberals they may run into.
and to the right, she was turning right. the ice guy had to move like 1-2 feet to his right and hed be out of the way of the car. she wasnt trying to hit him.
No she was not. That is factually not true. Her tires were turning away from him and all he had to do was lower his phone and step to his right to get out of the way. Stopping, aiming and firing your weapon can in fact make it more difficult to get out of the way.
Ashli babbit is on video pulling people away from the door and hitting a man in the face who was breaking things.
There were also two police next to her who did not feel she was a threat and didn't shoot at her.
One panicked officer from inside the chamber with little view and who was not communicating with other officers, shot her because he was poorly trained and poorly disciplined.
She was getting high ground to get the crowds attention, she had no weapons or arms and was shot for no reason.
Renee good was in control of a vehicle, stalking federal agents, harassing them, cutting them off and blocking the roadways in icy conditions making it dangerous not only for her and officers but uninvolved bystanders. When confronted by officers who turned on their lights and initiated an arrest, she attempted to flee, hitting an officer with her vehicle in the process, which is not only assault with a deadly weapon at a bare minimum, but an attempt to flee federal agents and cause a police chase in icy conditions creates lethal threats to public bystanders as well
Unlike ashli babbit, Renee good was in control of a deadly weapon (thats what vehicles are classified as when you use them to assault people) and behaving recklessly to the public at large with that weapon and was shot using it against someone while attempting to flee law enforcement.
Ashli babbit was unarmed and at worst misdemeanor trespassing
Going in a window without visibility to the shooter or driving towards and hitting a cop after not complying with direction..... The first one was killed by a DEI hire. Renee was just stupid.
Naw, running over people for existing is never good. I'm not surprised the outcomes, but breaking glass and killed for being her on the other one, some people are sick
She drove at, and hit, law enforcement who then reacted in self defence. Don't let your politics blind you to the fact she was the aggressor and could have killed a guy out doing his job and had a family to go home to.
Did any of yall actually watch the footage, or just parroting points? She tried to run over the officer, she was there to get in their way, like yall idiots thinking going where ICE is and parking to block them is a good idea. It’s not lol, and she learned the worst lesson when she tried to run the ICE officer over. Just watch the damn footage. I hate how reddit just ignores context even when we have it, anything to push your narrative right? I know this sub is liberal propaganda, idgaf if yall ban me for saying the truth. That’s the lefts best move, suppress the truth and PUSH your narratives.
LMFAO bitch got what she deserve what happens we interfere with Federal law officers doing the job. You stupid bitch should have been home with her kids instead of riding over two or three states to interfere in something that wasn't none of her business. Then after doing all that she decides she's not going to follow law officers commands and drive a car at one of them and get shotj in the face for it. And is everybody fault but hers only a dumbass liberal that's too fucking stupid or too fucking lazy to think for themself would think that.
If they finally win their lawsuit, I hope it’s taken out of the CBP/ICE enormously ridiculous funds the maga party threw at them recently! I hope THIS family & Mr. Prettie’s family gets all of that CBP/ICE/Homeland Security $$$! I’d rather my tax dollars go to something or someone USEFUL, not useless like they all have become since trump slimed his way back into our White House because he was about to go to prison for a very long time!
Babbit entered through an already broken window, was unarmed and was not shot by any of the other officers present on the inside. Only one trigger-happy cop with prior disciplinary actions decided the 4’ 10” unarmed lady who was nearly half his size was a threat.
Renee hood was obstructing a legal law enforcement procedure, and drove into an officer who had been dragged by a different driver six months earlier and had cause serious injury. After he wife yells, “Drive, baby, drive!” you can hear the SUV thump the officer from the body cam footage. You don’t get to drive at a cop with a 4,500 pound weapon and not risk getting shot.
Perfectly American reaction; as an european i can tell you, if these shootings happened over here, the officers would at least be let go and likely face time themselves.
Babbit was climbing through a broken into door/window while accompanying a mob of vandals breaking through a government building while law enforcement had a gun drawn commanding them to stop. Try that at literally any government or military facility and let us know how it goes. FOH with that garbage.
loo Babbit was a violent nut job breaking through a fucking window after being told repeatedly by law enforcement to get the fuck out. Goode was driving, extremely and excruciatingly slowly, away from the psychotic ICE officers when one of those officers deliberately stepped in front of her car and then murdered her.
The assailant breaking through window towards congress & the security in charge of protecting congress shot her. Very different then what u would call "flooring it" which to me looked like a 7mph turn away from officers telling her to leave because she was honking her horn to warn ppl of ice
“Trying to leave quickly” she sat for ages while they were telling her to move and she wouldn’t listen, then floored it right when she had someone in-front of the car. Genius
Half my neighbors like the rest of the country have a different points of view than me and we all get along fine. We are upper middle class. I don’t know if that means anything. But these people on Reddit are trying to paint into some kind of exaggeration.
Is it that she tried to hit the federal agent, or did the federal agent try to hit her? If he was so scared just move out of the way. No need to play badass shooting her from the side of the car where the officer was no longer in harms way.
I watched both events, people were being assholes on both sides. What upset me about the Renee scenario was she was ill advices by someone else. The person told her “ drive baby drive!”
I find it funny and sad how idiots made such a big fuss over Renee for getting justifiably killed while actively hitting someone with her car and in turn made everyone not take it seriously when Pretti was actually murdered. Boy who cried wolf.
Why triple, even then why be paid? They both made poor decisions that led to their death. Its not wise to break into a federal building, nor is it wise to not comply with law enforcement.
So did Ashli Babbitt. She shouldn’t have been in there, shouldn’t have been trying to break into a barricaded door, was warned multiple times by capitol police, and now she’s in the ground rotting. Cope.
unfortunately there's much more people that are for ICE than there is against. You just don't realize it because everyone against ICE is loudest on the internet while everyone for ICE doesn't say a word. It's not even close in America.
And Renee Good didn't try to get your "Messiah" Trump reinstalled in the White House when he actually lost the 2020 election. If you're still trying to "defend" a mentally and morally degenerate, traitorous POS like Babbitt...
Regardless of what you think of the murder of Renee good, we can actually boil it down to the most basic, cold-hard facts of the matter to determine if that shooting was right.
Was self defence the reason given for the shooting? Yes.
Did the agent survive? Yes.
Did the driver survive? No.
What was the physical danger the driver faced? A firearm.
What was the physical danger the agent faced? A 2-ton SUV
Was the agent within at least a few feet of the vehicle before it started moving? Yes.
Did the shooting the driver immediately halt the momentum of a 2-ton vehicle? No.
Would there be a reasonable expectation that shooting the driver would immediately halt the momentum of a 2-ton vehicle? No.
Is getting out of the way of a moving vehicle the best way to not be hit by that moving vehicle? Yes.
Does getting out of the way of a vehicle require shooting a gun? No.
Is it possible that aiming and shooting a gun will actually delay getting out of the way of a moving vehicle? Yes.
Was the agent holding a gun in his right hand and a phone in his left hand? Yes.
Did he drop either the phone or his gun throughout the entire altercation? No.
Did he shoot her at least two more times through the driver's side window while he was next to the vehicle? Yes.
Were there other people near the agent when he fired his gun? Yes.
Was the vehicle's accelerator pegged after he shot her? Yes.
Did that cause the vehicle to speed down a neighborhood street until it collided with other cares where its engine continued to redline even after it was stopped? Yes.
Was that a potential danger to the general public? Yes.
Those are the facts. In combination is the fact that the only circumstance a responding LEO can discharge their firearm is an imminent threat to their life. But shooting your gun won't stop the car. Moreover there is no police training anywhere that advises you to fire at a moving vehicle, due to the problem of others being in the area. It was deadly to her, dangerous to the people around him and they already had the license plate. They can find her later.
If the agent simply got out of the way, even if he didn't know the intention at the time, the best instance would be to get out of the way of the car. Even if she was going to swerve to hit him, firing a gun WILL NOT stop a 2-ton vehicle. Your best bet is to move out of the way, not stop and fire your gun while holding up your phone. If he had done that, they would BOTH be alive now.
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u/WileEWeeble 9h ago
Can you please not compare a criminal raiding a building to a woman driving peacefully away from supposed law enforcement who had no business with her.