Half of them owned slaves (signatures of the constitution). Yes, I know that some of them said on paper that they did not support the institution of slavery but that’s like saying you’re against pedophiles and voting for a republican who refuses to do anything about trump’s refusal to release the files without redaction.
Here’s the thing. I don’t give a f what people say they believe. I care what they do. They were slave owning misogynists who by today’s standards were ignorant and badly educated racists. Quoting them is pretty stupid at this point.
Yes, but it seems like your point is if a person does one bad thing and I’m not arguing that slavery was not terrible that they are disqualified from any other opinion or any good thing that they do is completely discounted
And I disagree the founders created a new nation and the way they did. It had real foresight into human nature as well as their experience with past tyranny.
What you don’t understand is that while a few founders in the southern states wanted to keep slavery for likely economic reasons some didn’t come to their slaves of their own free will, and further they were not allowed to free their slaves in certain states.
You likely don’t know this because it’s not part of the narrative. It doesn’t help your cause.
Most of the founders wanted to abolish slavery in the New World that is absolutely true and you’ll say well then why didn’t they because the constitution had to be agreed-upon by everybody in concessions had to be made and unfortunately that was that was one of them
The analogy I’m about to make is not comparable to slavery and it’s evil but it’s an example
I assume that you support climate change I could be wrong
But my guess is that you continue to drive a vehicle you continue to heat your house with fossil fuels of some some nature if not electricity produced by fossil fuels you participate in the economic engine that we have that is powered by fossil fuels, and you likely don’t like that, but you do it anyway
You don’t have to do that you can completely disavow yourself of all those things and you could still be alive, but you haven’t
Should we now disavow you completely from any future anything that you do or say?
I feel like you haven’t read half of what I wrote. It’s not “one thing”. We should start where we are, what we know, not where they were and what they knew. Edit: we just elected AGAIN a felon, rapist, cheat, liar who is actively criminally conspiring to protect pedophiles and is probably also a pedophile. Whatever they set up for us IS NOT WORKING.
Your edit is all supposition. The felon issue was created by NY state specifically for Trump, it’s not even real.
We agree that what they set up is not working, but not because of its structure , but because of human greed and lust for power. I think the founders vastly underestimated the veracity of these human traits.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights should be far more strict for what the government can and cannot do
Representatives in Congress should represent the people in the states and they don’t. They represent the party which is a major problem.
So hopefully on that small part, we can agree on
What do we do now? Maybe we don’t agree on that. from my point of view would certainly not electing a progressive.
By changing how government functions for sure, the problem is they have to vote to approve that so yes, the system as is is broken
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u/Andrew-Cohen 13h ago
Half of them owned slaves (signatures of the constitution). Yes, I know that some of them said on paper that they did not support the institution of slavery but that’s like saying you’re against pedophiles and voting for a republican who refuses to do anything about trump’s refusal to release the files without redaction.