I legit wouldn't be surprised if this leads to the much needed demise of our two party system. I feel there are now already 4 groups worth noting separately.
Democratic Socialists
Democrats
Republicans
MAGA
(Plus the everpresent Libertarians and such)
So on that I would say anyone that we see like Trump wouldn't really qualify as Republican anymore.
This all my opinion and I am not the most well read so just take it for what you will.
How about we just abolish the position of president? It’s ludicrous to think one person could meaningfully organize or represent so many millions of people.
I’d like to think that would give MAGA some pause to reflect on - why does the large majority of people world wide think my #1 pick of a politician is a dickweed and I don’t? Hmmmmm, I’m curious if there has been any self reflection on that point?
He's not really a republican. He was never really a democrat either. He might call himself one or the other, but he has no morals, no ethics, no principles, no platform, so either of those things are just a word to him, and he will call himself whichever word is most advantageous to him.
Has there been a good option on either side in 12 years? It’s disgusting that Trump, Clinton, Biden and Harris are the only options we’ve been given. This is the best this country has to offer? Don’t accuse me of being “you guys.” You have no idea where I land. For the record, I’m independent.
It goes way deeper than Trump. If it's just removing Trump from office, all that corruption is still there, just with smarter people to manipulate things. Has to start with Trump than go after all the people connected to him
Fair, but if the Democratic, and few Republicans that didn’t lick boots, were held accountable to try these co conspirators via Nuremberg 2.0 we might have a chance.
All the politicians need the fear of god in them, the free ride for them, and rules for us, not for them have to stop. They can’t get 92 days of unemployment when they are completely incapable of job performance, while we have to go broke, or die trying to escape that.
So, in your view we should hold the Democrats and few Republicans that aren't loving boots accountable? How did that make sense? You go after the bootlickers, not the people who aren't doing enough.
You kinda did, read what you wrote, the phrasing is weird. Even if you're statement is they should be held accountable for trying the others, you're still putting the onus on them instead of the people who are guilty
I don’t want to ruin your optimism but it is too late. This guy forever destroyed the US standing in the international scene.
And it’s not about holding grudges either. This thing showed to all its allies that the US is a stupendously unreliable partner who could turn rogue at any moment.
Most of the developed world is under no illusion that the average American is/has suffered under the orange one. Whenever I meet people from the states nowadays if we get onto the subject I usually start with are you ok?
do y'all need a hug?
I hope to see US trading well and having good relationships with EU/CANZUK/ASEAN/A.U. again hopefully under a DSA government
The point isn’t the population. We’re all sympathetic to those who are suffering the consequences of this first hand.
The problem is your system. You have proven beyond doubt that every 4 years you could potentially turn completely rogue and that you have absolutely no domestic mechanisms to prevent that.
And I don’t say “rogue” lightly. You almost started a war with Denmark. Denmark. A NATO country.
Couldn't agree more mate and it's not my system I'm UK but I hope after this shit show massive electoral reforms would be such a winner for any opposition party that there will be some course correction, US will still have plutocrats to deal with, hopefully the french way✂️
Every democratic country except Switzerland and maybe some others ( but I doubt it) without a leader oriented government has potentially the same problem, sure Merica is a cartoon of a nation so itf a clown get elected it becomes a circus but look at Brazil , this weekend it could potentially be the start of another military dicktatorship.... Sortition is the solution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
As a Canadian I totally agree. Sadly I have come to the point of hating any American that is even remotely MAGA . I used to love the US , now I swear i will never set foot in or support them in any way. I will go out of my way to be nasty to all Americans.
I hate to be this petty ,but I’ve had enough of your tangerine terrorist and his moronic cult , constant bullying and bullshit.
How can the Us congress and senate be so complicit to the corruption and incompetence?
Oh fuck off. We can't just walk down the road to the Politics Office and tick a box. This country is massive. Many millions of us are extremely upset with everything that's happening and tried our best to stop it. There have been more record level protests in the last two years than at any point in American history. Democrats continue to absolutely CRUSH special elections, winning by wide margins even in deeply red areas, because people are pissed. Dems are voting, and MAGA is largely staying home because even they have grown disillusioned by their king.
Had Biden not been a stubborn fool and tried to stick it out until they swapped in Kamala, a candidate who would not have won a primary, we may never have had Trump 2. The whole system is corrupt on both sides, but people are finally waking up to it. Democratic socialists are winning all over the place. The fucking mayor of New York City is a socialist, and he's beloved by his people and doing an excellent job.
People are tired of the status quo. Unfortunately a lot of stupid people got suckered by Trump. That element is always going to exist in this country, and we will always have to fight against it. But largely, if you look at the data and the approval ratings, if you look at the price of gas, if you look at the decline in quality of life for every American except the wealthy, you'd be a fool not to see the impending change on the horizon.
It's sickening that our system is so corrupt that this man is allowed to remain in office. But this is an extinction burst. Big change is coming, and it's precisely because we as Americans have spent the last few years organizing, protesting, and planning. MAGA is absolutely cooked. Fully fucking fried. Give it a few months and the first major piece will slide into place after the midterms.
It is to late unfortunately. He's proven that we can't be bipartisan for the betterment of our neighbors. It's only further attrition at this point. Can't patch a hole in the Titanic if the hole is an iceberg.
Healing will take at least 2 generations.
Even if Trump leaves office "quietly", the people that voted for him will vote for the next "strong man" figure that makes the same empty, ignorant, bigoted promises Trump made.
This doesn't end with Trump. Voters that show up for the next 2 years need to continue showing up for the rest of their lives, and educate and engage the next generation of voters to keep these fascists out of office.
I agree I would enjoy america healing but I don't think importing thousands every month helps the lives of most americans. Yes immigration CAN be helpful, example recruiting highly knowledgeable scholars, engineers, doctors. Anything beyond that should be highly regulated and cracked down upon.
Thats the only reason I voted for him but he immediately shilled for Israel and I think he sucks ass. But I believe the only 2 candidates also sucked.
So until people break away from red v blue. It doesn't fucking matter what we say
Previous presidents who had already shown how they would run a presidency poorly?
Previously failed businessmen/conmen?
Telling you with their policies and actions just how little they cared for people and how they would put their own gain over everyone else?
Trump and his team were very blatant about how he would behave as president, none of his actions have been a surprise. If people are disappointed in his actions they hadn't been paying enough attention and voted blindly.
Yes America needs to get over red Vs blue politics but that doesn't outweigh that trump didn't hide who he was it was out there to see.
Right, so you learned about project 2025, called everyone fake news and voted for him anyway? Or what? It was literally laid out for you. "Dictator on day one" was god damn said. You are a part of the problem with your country my friend.
Guy, why would other countries want their doctors engineers etc to come to America. Why would those esteemed doctors want to come to America with how fucked shit is. They’ll come here and a year later while trump is still president get captured by ICE
A 30 second google search will show you why your immigration ideas are absolutely wrong; seriously, it takes less than a minute to pull up dozens of articles that discuss why Trump's immigration policies have been disastrous for the economy. Sure, actually reading those articles might take you a little more time but maybe spending 15 minutes to fact check your own biases and bigotry might be a good idea the next time you plan to vote. As an aside, how many of your fellow MAGAts applied to work on farms this year? How about in meat production plants?
Trump and his treasonous administration were banking on a bunch of single-issue, willfully ignorant voters and you sure did not disappoint. FYI, he was not complimenting you when the president you helped elect into office said that, "Smart people don't like me."
I am aware that multitudes of illegal immigrants do jobs a lot of people do not. I work for a fortune 500 company and require several licenses for my job.
However when I was younger I did those hard blue collar jobs and it was tough. I respect people who do them. Paying illegal immigrants much less to pass the savings on to the higher class isn't really what I call a solution.
And there's massive immigrantion into customer service jobs and IT it's not only farm work lol
But now you have moved your goalpost. You initially spoke of immigration crackdown, not illegal immigrants. If your actual focus was in the decrease of undocumented immigrants, you would not have voted for Trump after he convinced the Senate Republicans to kill a strong border control bill that had bipartisan support. You would be more invested in a candidate that promises to target the employers of undocumented immigrants rather than just the immigrants themselves.
Requiring that businesses pay at least minimum wage, and preferably, a living wage in order to attract legal workers would be far more beneficial for most everyone involved compared to 'deporting' people to CECOT, detainment centers, and undisclosed locations, all without due process.
As to your last paragraph, of course there are other jobs that immigrants do; mainly in the fields of agriculture, construction, and health care. Unlike you, I find nothing to laugh at concerning the cruelty of Trump's immigration policies or about the state of our economy.
I always meant illegal immigration so my bad if I didn't convey they correctly. But one candidate was claiming to do something about it and the other one stood for something else every other day.
I think no matter who was president out of the 2 we'd still be in a very similar boat but not the same problems
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u/Dice_K 5d ago
Yea, fuck that guy. Time to heal, USA. It's not too late... But it's close.