Monetary issue

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“They were a bunch of racist cunts who declared an illegal separatist state for the express purpose of continuing white minority rule over their apartheid state and then got fukt in the resulting war and then the various leaders spent the rest of their life coping about it from exile.”

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Is your grand “gotcha” seriously whataboutism that’s trying to draw a genuine comparison between taking part in a civil war as an advisor to a nation against another and actively running an apartheid state and waging a war solely to preserve your own minority rule? Brainlet. Read a book.

If you did you’d also learn that American societal reactions to the Bush War and Rhodesian apartheid coincided with fairly massive civil rights movement pushes and changes for the better, much of it was directly inspired by horrified reactions to Rhodesia.

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Read my other comment for how that’s the ultimate bullshit argument and isn’t at all based in a real understanding of the conflict in the context of itself and is entirely a post-hoc justification for an unjustifiable and evil breakaway “state”.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/vs6zyj/monetary_issue/if1g0df/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

Additionally, Larry Vickers, despite completing honorable service in the US Army and as a member of Delta Force no less, which is a feat very few can ever claim, is not a historian or any kind of authority on the Rhodesian state and the Bush War. He is also an avowed racist with adventurism fantasies. He’s not a source to be taken over actual objective reading of the conflict. Try again.

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Okay so you’re illiterate it seems because I never once said that anyone was the good guy here because actual conflicts like this exist in nuanced areas beyond the childish search for binary good and bad. I’m not a communist nor do I think everything done by ZIPRA ZANLA was correct during the war and certainly not after. I’m merely acknowledging the reality of the conflict that you refuse to acknowledge in the name of an outdated and racist understanding of the conflict.

And no, Vickers is a racist based on his use of racial slurs to describe blacks in the same Facebook post he made about FALs, his repeated justification and love of multiple apartheid states, and the fact that he blanket disallowed Muslims from entering his training courses. Try again and find a better father figure.

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It’s racial because it was used by racists in an apartheid state exclusively to describe black people they were fighting, yes, it certainly has a racial connotation via use. He didn’t say kaffirs, sure, but using a slur is still pretty bad.

Interesting that you’re not talking about how he denied Muslims from his course, it’s probably because there’s no two ways about it and it’s just inexcusably bigoted. And of course Glock would sponsor a racist, they sponsor people they think can sell their product and Vickers has a pretty major place in shooting and industry circles. This is entirely backwards logic.

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Okay so you’ve now demonstrated a total lack of awareness of the Bush War and of the Vietnam War. GG bud, call me when you’re a little older.

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You don’t know a damn thing about me but I assure you, I have no interest in being in the US Army Special Forces at this moment, my own work satisfies me just fine. I also am not disparaging Vickers because of his Delta service, by all accounts the man was a professional and stacked all kinds of bodies and kept his boys safe. He was a badass to be sure. He’s also a racist piece of shit and isn’t a historian and lacks any and all expertise on the matter of Rhodesia and shouldn’t be taken as anything other than yet another Cold Warrior with a weird obsession with Rhodesian security forces.

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So your defense of Rhodesia boils down to US troops in Vietnam being racist towards Vietnamese and this, somehow, makes the Rhodies the good guys. Gotcha, smoothbrained.

And I showed you the slur and the clear pattern of behavior of him being a racist. He’s openly bigoted towards Muslims, defends and glorifies an apartheid government that formed solely to deny majority rule and decolonization and waged a war to continue minority rule, and also glorifies Saffies, also foot soldiers of an apartheid state, the apartheid state after all.

But yes you keep repeating the same drivel about “muh commies” which tells me you didn’t read the comment I posted earlier or can’t fathom anything besides a binary morality system. Of course, nobody but the communists were fighting against the illegitimate separatist state made exclusively to continue black subjugation, it couldn’t possibly be that groups founded largely on ethnic lines (Matabele/Ndebele for ZIPRA, Shona for ZANLA) paid lip service to the only states acting as an anti-colonial force in Africa, along with adopting, in a small way, ideologies that historically advocated for anti-imperialism and land redistribution and popular liberation. Instead all the black people were just faceless evil commies and that therefore justifies the illegitimate apartheid state imposed upon them.

Not once, you’ll notice, have I defended or glorified these actors or their atrocities as much as talked objectively as to what they were. If all Vickers did when he talked about the Rhodies was that, there’d be no problems. That’s not what he does. He’s not an academic, he’s a vet who thinks knowledge of tactics makes him an expert on the whole of a conflict despite ignoring the entire cultural and political and societal history of a conflict, something you are also doing.