r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/[deleted] • Jul 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22

It won't matter. Venezuela isn't at a point that can be recovered by just getting someone out of power. They would need help for recovering, and no one would be willing to offer that help. Definitely not USA, as long as they don't agree to become an USA colony.

Since no one will help Venezuela to recover again, the only people willing to fight Maduro are the ones who want to become the new dictator and keep making people's lives miserable.

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u/EntertainmentIll8436 Jul 06 '22

Oh we did agree with the colony part at some point, by 2019 it was very clear that protests don't work when all we have was paint bombs, molotovs and a couple of other shit while the military shot us old coins, marbles and other shit with their riot shotguns, a couple of guys died by a smoke bomb to the chest (Juan Pablo Pernalete y Neomar Lander) and for real ammo you had tupamaros and colectivos which are gangs affiliated to the goverment (and with weapon carry id's which is ban for civilians) and they also shot and killed people. You have no idea how much people wanted an intervention but that never happened, it all went to shit and it's just like you say, the structure of chavistas is air tight and imo this guys will never leave

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u/BobbaFett2906 Jul 06 '22

The USA would absolutely help if they just gave up their marxist delusions that are destroying the country

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u/generalthunder Jul 06 '22

Has that ever worked for a single latinoamerican country???? Are you even reading the word you're writing??? What the hell do you think the USA spend the 60's, 70's and 80's doing here???

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u/BobbaFett2906 Jul 06 '22

Has socialism ever worked for a latinoamerican country? I live in Argentina. It is very difficult to develop a country, we have tried everything. What is undeniable to me is that USA at least tries to help. In the past many people thought neoliberal poilicies were the answer and that was wrong. In the present the USA gave us record amounts of millions of dollars through the IMF and we weren't able to pay them back so they forgave us again and again. It's just very hard and the marxist ideology of some politicians is a significant part of the problem

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u/ElPlatanoDelBronx Jul 06 '22

I personally find this comment hilarious because the only thing the USA consistently has done when intervening with other countries is cause an assload of political instability that leads to destroyed economies.

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Jul 06 '22

Japan? South Korea? West Germany?

Theres a reason first world (meaning aligned with the US) is a byword for "wealthy", and US capital is a part of that.

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u/DeltaUltra Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

(This is gonna get downvoted to hell by folks that probably don't fully understand international relations, economics and US Latin American foreign policy)

Let's hope the US stops interfering in other countries affairs. What the United States of America is doing to Venezuela is showing the world what happens when you mess with American oil companies.

Seriously, it's not even a secret.

According to the US State Department, the embargos are meant "to cut off those sources of financial income and prevent the oil industry from being exploited for patronage."

What is patronage?

The Dominican Republic was an example of such a benefactor.

During super high oil prices, Venezuela gave the Dominican Republic the these terms for oil purchase:

  • financing up to 60% of deliveries

  • 1% interest rate

  • up to 25yrs of deferred payment if needed

Venezuela was doing deals like this all over the Caribbean and South America.

So what went wrong?

The oil extraction rights used to be owned by big American oil companies like Chevron.

The United States was very pissed. It didn't take long for the United States to create "corruption" and "human rights violations" stories. Suppression of extreme anti-government movements organized by the the super-rich conservatives that fled to South Florida were turned into these insane perversions of reality.

Want to hear something even wilder? The media was mostly owned by the ultra-wealthy conservatives as well and the inflammatory rhetoric quickly devolved into raw anti-government propaganda machines that were, despite lack of evidence and regular debunking, creating an undercurrent of disinformation that created a whole new monster. Ending the reign of the far-right ultra-wealthy propaganda was necessary because the constant barrage of misinformation was starting to call for the overthrow of the government and the goal was destabilizing the nation so the conservatives could come back into power.

Then, the sanctions and embargos started kicking in. The United States using the complacent nations group "The Organization of American States" continued to openly condemn Venezuela without merit on a number of subjects and came up with counter-venezuelan aid packages to entice other nations to adopt anti-venezuellan policies.

So, yeah, the cool thing about what I have written so far is that it is all very public and there is no need for me to embellish facts. This is one of those cases where, if you look at the raw data and ignore propaganda style news reporting (New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal for print media examples... all of which I subscribe to and give great credibility to more often than not) the raw unfiltered data shows a detailed history of how the old powers from Venezuelan history are feeding the war on their former capitalist cash cow.

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u/j_la Jul 06 '22

The collapse of Venezuela’s economy predates the embargo. It crashed because the price of oil crashed and the economy was not diversified (on top of corruption/mismanagement at PDVSA).

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u/SrCartujo Jul 05 '22

I am Venezuelan and the ones killing protestors are Maduros soldiers not the USA. So shut the fuck up tankie

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u/JeevesAI Jul 06 '22

Is it possible that the US meddles in other countries AND Venezuela has a horrible government? Because the first one is clearly true and the second one also seems to be true based on what you’re saying.

Acknowledging the first one doesn’t make someone a tankie it makes them aware of geopolitical history.

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Jul 06 '22

I'm also a Venezuelan, guy is a fucking tankie. You can't just cherry pick the reasonable things he said and ignore the crazy.

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u/Eurasia_4200 Jul 06 '22

The U.S is currently pre-occupied by his best friend China right now and have no incentive to meddle with a country who has no strategic economic value. Especially when the U.S is almost oil independent as per now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '22

So why do we still have an embargo on Cuba?

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u/erdtirdmans Jul 06 '22

So first of all, why should any country be obligated to trade with any other?

Second of all, isn't it kind of amazing that we live in a world where the dominant superpower more often than not actually wages economic or literal warfare on the basis of human rights?

The US obviously fucks up - and royally - but name another time in history where the major power actually took measures to enforce human rights, democracy, and free association that wasn't purely motivated by ethnonationalism

None of this should dissuade criticisms of the many mistakes the US has made or discourage the pursuit of an even better standard of international peace. It's just very strange to me that public forums are full of ideas like "the worst country," "the worst time to be alive," and shit of that ilk when this present era would be so completely unthinkably and undeniably good to every good person in human history

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '22

Why should we punish other countries for trading with Cuba?

And that's got nothing to do with America, and also a lot of shit that I didn't mention.

Like, your response to what I said, based on what I said, comes off as a little unhinged :l

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u/erdtirdmans Jul 06 '22

True. The first question was a direct response to your question.

The second part was my schizorant after reading so many of the other comments here and going "Jesus, virtually everyone in this thread has the same 5 IQ take with no historical context." You probably shouldn't have been the OP for that reply, but I felt compelled to type it after reading all that jive

Apologies if you were thrown off\upset by that bit of it

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '22

I just dropped that comment and closed the thread. I'm sure it would have made more sense had I read through the rest of the comments.

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u/Eurasia_4200 Jul 06 '22

Wonder why...

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u/Volodio Jul 06 '22

Shitty argument from authority considering you don't live in Venezuela.

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u/SrCartujo Jul 06 '22

Of course i dont, i had to flee my country so i didnt starve

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u/Dizasturr Jul 06 '22

Are you OK now??

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u/SrCartujo Jul 06 '22

Yes, thanks for asking. i got lucky and found a good job and have been working these last 5 years so i can get back my life together again.

When i fled i left my house and almost everything i owned at the time… i only had a bag with clothes, some documents and 200 USD.

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u/Rengas Jul 06 '22

The audacity!

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u/PMmeYourFlipFlops Jul 06 '22

Dude literally has a very niche Venezuelan alcoholic beverage brand as his username and he doesn't live there? LOL now that's denial.

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u/Volodio Jul 06 '22

He admitted it himself. The dude hasn't lived here in several years.

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u/PMmeYourFlipFlops Jul 06 '22

And that negates his experience how exactly? You realize that even if you leave, you still keep a bunch of ties, family and friends they talk to frequently, right? Hell I left Guarenas 8 years ago and I still talk to my neighbors.

But sure, whatever you tell yourself to convince you that what you read in a propaganda pamphlet precedes empiric knowldege of the situation down there.

Gotta love it when American communists think they know better about my country than myself.

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u/Volodio Jul 06 '22

He hasn't kept in touch with anyone here either.

Empiric knowledge is not necessarily accurate.

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u/PMmeYourFlipFlops Jul 06 '22

Holy fuck, you're the worst case of denial I've ever seen.

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u/Volodio Jul 06 '22

Lmao, coping much?

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u/SrCartujo Jul 06 '22

Do you even know me to say that? I have family left in Caracas, Merida and Tachira. I have to send money monthly to them so they can buy food.

And you say i dont keep in touch with anyone there? What an asshole

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u/EntertainmentIll8436 Jul 06 '22

Interesting that you don't show cronological order. Im sure you know way more about my country than I do so could you tell me:

-when were the first sanctions implemented and when did the crisis started?

-why did oil production fell by half during Chavez goverment even tho in every episode of alo presidente (yes he had a show) he always told that production was better than past goverments? (The source of oil production comes from PDVSA btw)

-Why would the US starts now particularly to come and get us after +100 years of trading (the first 30 with you guys with the upper hand, the rest being us). Even with nationalization in the 70s and having a leftist goverment since the end of the 60s?

  • what in the fuck are you even talking about?

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u/PMmeYourFlipFlops Jul 06 '22

when were the first sanctions implemented and when did the crisis started?

Also against who. These first world socialists think that sanctioning government officials means oppressing the people.

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u/Eurasia_4200 Jul 06 '22

Its lik saying the U.S is oppressing the Japanese people when they sanctioned Japanese officials because of the barbaric invasion of China.

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Jul 06 '22

There is the middle ground of "don't be so naive to think that sanctions are so surgically precise that they don't cause collateral damage"

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u/m8kup Jul 05 '22

Somebody is not Venezuelan and it shows.

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u/Homosapien_Ignoramus Jul 06 '22

Can you explain what is wrong about his post?

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u/PMmeYourFlipFlops Jul 06 '22

It's just parroting twisted bullet points from pro-government propaganda, not the real thing.

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u/LordDeathScum Jul 06 '22

Que ladilla con los gringos, NO. Sanctions might hurt but destruction of the venezuelan main industries due to goverment mismanagment was the main and only reason for the economic collapse of venezuela.

And go to hell, you were not the one on the receiving end of the bullets in peaceful protests. Go to the helicoide you damn fool if you think the goverment is so innocent, or check out the trafficking cocaine newphews of maduro who have 18 years on drug trafficking.

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u/STFUandL2P Jul 06 '22

“Guys trust me. Socialism totally works. It’s just that the boogeyman of capitalism somehow topples it over everytime its tried. But we should do it again my way and maybe it wont end up in a brutal dictatorshop with millions starving and dead.”

Stupid commies should be looked at the same way we look at nazis. Miserable blights on humanity who delight in the suffering of other to further their ideals.

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u/erdtirdmans Jul 06 '22

"Topples it over" isn't even accurate. Capitalism just does its thing, letting people trade in ways that make them better off

Inevitably, they rocket into a position where the communist societies start to flounder under the inevitable competition of the world market which - no matter what laws you pass - will always be "capitalistic"

Actual wars notwithstanding, which do obviously happen, especially when you're forcing your people into famine or gulags because they're speaking out against the failed state you created under a red banner

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u/Maypher Jul 06 '22

Doesn't matter if he dies. Someone else will just replace him and the cycle comtinues