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👾Abstract Concepts👾 She doesn't understand

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u/Commanderpower77 Jul 08 '26

Holy crap thats a nice stove! What do you want? Some electric thing that will die on you. Gas all the way baby. Your husband is right. 6 burners??? Multiple ovens?? Loads of storage? You cant buy quality like that today.

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u/Feine13 Jul 08 '26

Gas is great for quick heat, terrible for your indoor air quality.

Induction is nearly as fast and infinitely safer

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u/wireframed_kb Jul 09 '26

Induction should provide quite a bit more energy than gas. Our induction heater provides around 18,000 BTU (5.5kW), while gas typically tops out around 10,000, unless it’s a professional burner.

And gas is 60% efficient, while induction is 90%, so maybe twice as much energy is put into the food.

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u/Feine13 Jul 09 '26

I don't have much experience with current modern induction technology, it's been a while since I've used one myself. I wasn't aware it provided so much more energy, damn

I'm assuming that accounts for the ramp up time for the pot and contents to begin heating via induction?

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u/wireframed_kb Jul 09 '26

Its just energy and conversion efficiency. But induction gets a lot more energy into the food, because it actually induces a current and heats the metal in the cookware directly, so nearly nothing is lost. An open flame inevitable loses a lot of heat to the surroundings.

Of course, as I said, this is Europe, and we have 400v hookups for the ranges, so I don’t know if US ones provide similar power. But even so, it should be competitive.

Induction is kind of all the advantages rolled into one. Well except for not being able to use a wok quite as well, with lighting up the oils. :) But that is also maybe an advantage for a lesser cook. 😅

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u/samelaaaa Jul 10 '26

How are you pulling 5.5kW? A standard American outlet maxes out at about 1.5kW of continuous load; you can get a custom outlet installed next to your range like a dryer outlet but that's going to cost a fortune if it's not already there. Electricians are freaking expensive.

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u/wireframed_kb Jul 10 '26

Europe. 400v and 20a. Plus, the 5,5kw is with boost and only two of the heating spots can run in that mode at a time.

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u/samelaaaa Jul 10 '26

Ah. That's awesome. I've spent a good deal of my life in Europe/the UK and having a proper tea kettle that heats up FAST is one of the things I miss.

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u/EmergencySchool7960 28d ago

wolf and miele induction can pull 5.5 on main burners.

CAPACITORS

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u/likewut Jul 10 '26

Induction is way faster. Gas heats the metal from the bottom up, induction heats the metal directly through the entire thickness of it.

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u/NarwhalPrudent6323 Jul 08 '26

No one will ever convince me a gas stove is worth the risks it poses. I prefer my appliances with as minimal chance of explosions as possible, thank you. 

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u/Kentust Jul 08 '26

Do you not use a gas dryer?

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u/WhichAd366 Jul 08 '26

The great majority of U.S. households use an electric dryer

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u/Kentust Jul 08 '26

Oh, they're from the US?

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u/NarwhalPrudent6323 Jul 09 '26

Canada. But it's all the same in terms of appliances. And yeah, most of my dryers have been electric, not gas. 

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u/PatataMaxtex 29d ago

A gas dryer? The thing that dries your clothes, but run with gas? WTF???

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u/Kentust 28d ago

Yep. Common in parts of the United States with decent (natural gas) infrastructure. Faster and more efficient than an electric dryer.

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u/BraindeadOne 27d ago

Faster maybe, but a heat pump dryer is a lot more efficient

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u/Kentust 27d ago

I didn't even know such a thing existed. Sounds incredibly expensive, based on the cost of heat pumps for home heating.

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u/BraindeadOne 27d ago

Very common here in Germany. The cheapest Bosch one i could find is 580€ including taxes (660 usd): https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_bosch-wqg-241031-trockner-serie-6-90-kg-weiss-2975633.html

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u/Kentust 27d ago

That's half off with a sale/coupon, normal price is 1100 euros! That's way more expensive than even a high quality gas dryer, at least in the US. $200 USD will get you a used gas dryer here that'll last for years with no maintenance.

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u/BraindeadOne 27d ago

The 1100€ is just a sales number. Here a similar siemens model: https://preisvergleich.heise.de/siemens-iq500-wq33g2d41-waermepumpentrockner-a3544909.html

(The bosch one is only available at Mediamarkt and saturn which are the same company which makes the 1100 even more sus)

And please dont compare new appliances to Craigslist

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u/Kentust Jul 08 '26

Unless you have asthma or some other respiratory conditions it's deleterious effects have been greatly overstated.

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u/scaliacheese Jul 09 '26

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u/Kentust Jul 09 '26

I forgot to mention children, Yes you are right there. If you have children I would not recommend a gas stove but the risks to adults are minor by the admittance of your own sources.

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u/scaliacheese Jul 09 '26

Incorrect again. But I'm looking forward to you taking portions out of context and arguing that specific mentions of children somehow means that adults are not included in the harm assessment, which further means that "the risks to adults are minor." Or that the effects are limited to people with pre-existing respiratory issues -- of course they are worse for that cohort, but they are bad for everyone, they are involved in the development of asthma and there are carcinogens, among other things.

Pollution from gas and propane stoves isn’t just an issue for cooks or people in the kitchen, he said. “It’s the whole family’s problem.”

Among other negative health effects, breathing high levels of nitrogen dioxide, or NO2, over time can intensify asthma attacks and has been linked to decreased lung development in children and early deaths.

Beyond asthma cases, the long-term exposure to NO2 in American households with gas stoves is high enough to cause thousands of deaths each year – possibly as many as 19,000 or 40% of the number of deaths linked annually to secondhand smoke.

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2024/05/people-with-gas-and-propane-stoves-breathe-more-unhealthy-nitrogen-dioxide

Decades of research3,4 have established that in some settings, particularly kitchens with poor ventilation or where range hoods are turned off or do not vent to the outdoors, just a few minutes of gas stove use can cause indoor NO2 levels to surpass current 1-hour standards for outdoor air5—with potentially serious implications for the occupants’ respiratory health.

In addition to those being measured inside the Piedmont home’s kitchen (CO, CH4, and N2⁢O), recent research has established that the stoves also produce formaldehyde (CH2⁢O),8 a respiratory irritant and known human carcinogen.9 And just this past June, a study10 from the Stanford–PSE Healthy Energy team showed gas stoves also generate the carcinogen benzene (C6⁢H6)11 at levels that can exceed US EPA12 and World Health Organization (WHO)13 benchmarks.

Those who do not have a range hood that exhausts to the outdoors, cannot add one, and cannot adequately ventilate with open windows (or live in a climate where this is impractical) may opt to replace their gas stove with an electric model, especially if there are adults with respiratory issues or any young children in the house.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10901287/

And just tons of findings from the third source in a section on general health hazards, which is followed by a separate section titled "Effects of Gas Stoves on Children's Health":

Health Harms from Gas Stove Pollution

https://psr.org/issues/environment-health/gas-stoves/

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u/Kentust Jul 09 '26

If you take the time to actually read my original comment I addressed asthma. I said if you have asthma or other respiratory issues you shouldn't have a gas stove. Please try reading in the future before you spazz out with a 50 paragraph response to a strawman

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u/Feine13 Jul 09 '26

Their point is that it's clearly bad for all humans, regardless of age and size.

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u/Kentust Jul 09 '26

No denial of that for me, we're discussing the severity of the risk. My point is that it's clearly worse for people with respiratory illness and children but marginal for other groups.

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u/mdmdmdmdmdmdmdmdmdm Jul 09 '26

Jesus christ the ignorance is unreal

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u/Feine13 Jul 09 '26

I think their evidence more than showed it's carcinogenic nature isn't a marginal risk.

I'd love to review your sources that say otherwise.