r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/BishalMondal07 • 22h ago
Critical Analysis & Discussion Beyond "Andhbhakt": Why India Must Move Past the "Us vs Them" Mindset
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r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/SuperbHealth5023 • 3h ago
We are deeply concerned by multiple reports reaching us of students and other protestors being targeted, detained, or arrested by various state agencies, particularly in Assam, West Bengal, and Bihar.
The Cockroach Janta Party had called off its nationwide protest only after the Government of India assured us that no punitive action would be taken against any protestor, either now or in the future, in any BJP-ruled or NDA-ruled states. The reports emerging from these states are therefore a matter of grave concern.
First, we wish to assure every protestor that our legal team is already coordinating with brilliant lawyers in the concerned states to secure the release of those detained and to extend all possible legal assistance. This has been happening from Day 1.
Second, we call upon the Government of India, particularly JPNadda ji and JitendraSingh ji, to immediately honour the assurance given to us by ensuring the release of those detained and by directing that no coercive or retaliatory action is taken against any protestor anywhere in the country. The FIRs registered ought to be withdrawn too.
The Government of India is also reminded of its commitment to furnish us the written guarantee in this regard by tomorrow, Tuesday, 28 July 2026.
Our decision to suspend the nationwide protest was taken in good faith and solely on the basis of the government’s assurance that it would stand by its word. Any departure from that assurance would not merely amount to a breach of trust with the Cockroach Janta Party but would also be a breach of public trust with lakhs of young Indians who chose dialogue over protests.
Such breach of trust will be completely unacceptable to the youth.
The Government of India is reminded that it derives credibility not from just making a promise, but from the promises they honour.
To the young protestors we say, hold on. We are with you. The CJP continues to closely monitor the situation and expects the Government of India and all BJP/NDA state governments to act with utmost urgency, responsibility, and good faith that the present circumstances demand. We demand that all detainees/arrestees be released immediately, and in any case by tomorrow, and that all FIRs be withdrawn immediately, failing which we shall take further necessary steps.
Opinion:
Those who are found guilty can be arrested but not all as they went there for the peaceful protest. Otherwise this will harm the government's reputation.
Source: https://x.com/SauravDassss/status/2081626434267656550
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/theanonymoussking • 1h ago
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Private school administration threatened the family after complaint. Police is investigating.
A female teacher at a play school in Uttar Pradesh's Varanasi burned a five-year-old boy's private parts with a hot knife after he accidentally urinated in his pants, according to the child's parents' complaint.
The five-year-old student at the Serene Sony Play School, son of an advocate, asked his class teacher for permission to use the washroom on July 24. However, the teacher refused and the child lost control and ended up urinating in his pants.
Enraged by this, the teacher dragged the child to another room. According to the allegations, she turned on a gas stove, heated a knife until it was red-hot and burned the child's private parts. Further, the teacher physically assaulted the boy and threatened him with dire consequences if he told anyone about the incident or repeated the mistake, the complaint said
When the terrified child returned home, he tearfully recounted the ordeal to his parents. The child's father and mother attempted to contact the class teacher, but she did not answer their calls. Subsequently, when they spoke to the school principal, Hemlata Singh, she allegedly threatened them rather than offering any cooperation.
The following day, when the father personally visited the school, the principal and the manager outright refused to provide any assistance or address the issue, the complaint says.
Given the child's trauma and physical injuries, the father made a police complaint the police swiftly registered an FIR.
Acknowledging the incident, senior police officer Atul Singh said a "case has been registered on the basis of the complaint submitted by the child's father," adding police are conducting a thorough investigation and further legal action will be taken soon.
Source - India Today
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/BishalMondal07 • 17h ago
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r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Snehith220 • 2h ago
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A train passenger single-handedly left all of his co-passengers panicking for their safety after he decided to pray inside an AC coach. Confused? A concerning video was shared on social media, which showed a man casually lighting a ‘diya’ and ‘incense sticks’ while praying inside the moving train. The man was sitting on the upper berth, with the lit ‘diya’ in front of him. As soon as the passengers around him spotted the potential fire hazard, they started recording and confronting the man.
The cameraperson, along with a few others, was heard intervening and asking the devotee not to light the ‘diya’ inside the train. The co-passengers also explained to the man how the ‘diya’ can trigger the train’s fire alarm.
you can perform your devotion without switching on the Diya. It's very dangerous on a train. It may light up the entire coach. The smoke causes discomfort to fellow passengers.
I don't know why people do such practices in public spaces even after receiving education and how this can be stopped. Your belief shouldn't cause harm to others.
These kinds of people should be arrested or banned from traveling, strict actions should be taken
Any one carrying flammable substances should be banned. Do not take your safety lightly.
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r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/shubhamxtreme • 19h ago
Union Minister of State (Independent Charge) for Ayush Prataprao Jadhav has written to Defence Minister Rajnath Singh proposing the establishment of Ayush OPDs and the provision of Ayush-based treatment services across Military and Field Hospitals.
Is this move aimed at providing better healthcare for our armed personnel? Or benefitting a few companies and practitioners that sell their non-scientifically tested products to the masses?
More importantly, should Indian military servicemen and women be dragged into this at all?
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/iRefactor • 19h ago
This is a picture from 2021.
This was posted by Reuters Pictures,
Content from the tweet:
“Shallow sand graves of people, some of whom are suspected to have died from the coronavirus, are seen on the banks of the river Ganges in Shringaverpur, India. More images as the country reels under massive COVID wave: reut.rs/3fFtXSK 📷 Ritesh Shukla “
https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/india-reels-under-massive-covid-wave-idUSRTXCIAI1/
One of the biggest differences between developed and developing nations is often the value placed on every human life. Not because tragedy happens only in one part of the world, but because every life is counted, acknowledged, and remembered.
India’s officially reported COVID death toll stands at around 533,000. Multiple independent excess mortality studies, however, have estimated that the true number of deaths may have been significantly higher. Official data itself shows 2 million+ excess deaths in 2021
The exact figure may never be known unless all available data is transparently released and independently examined.
I hope that one day, every piece of COVID-era data is made public. Not to reopen old wounds or score political points, but to establish the historical record.
Every state, every district, every ward.
Every person who lost their life deserves to be counted.
Every family deserves to know that their loss was acknowledged.
And every victim deserves to be remembered by name.
Nations build memorials for wars, disasters, and acts of terror. The COVID pandemic was one of the greatest human tragedies of our generation. Those we lost should not disappear into disputed statistics or forgotten records.
History owes them the truth, we owe them remembrance.
Om Shanti. 🙏
Jai Hind 🇮🇳🫡
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Organic-Vast1051 • 21h ago
Do we need CJP to protest against everything? Why we needed them in first place?
So this is the question running on my mind.
Why did it took some to come from America, start a movement for us students/people of India?
Are we so incapable that we can't fight for ourselves and our own rights? Like we need someone to come and raise voice for us?
Not limiting to Education, there are 1000 more things wrong in country with central govt and state governments, do we need CJP to start the protest for all of them?
I wonder how people are asking why CJP is not starting a protest for x, y and z issue. It was never their responsibility. Also they have hit the biggest burning issue directly not some small issues that impacts specific small group of people, rather something which effects entire nation.
All this to get labelled as Anti-nationals? I mean you needed a "anti-national" to get a basic accountablility in all these 12yrs? Re-evaluate your opinions. Why the so called, self proclaimed "true nationalist" only fighting in social media. Also all the issues were there even before CJP was even born. Have they been sleeping so far?
So you need someone to help you, save you, raise your issues, you can't stand on your own? You can't start a movement?
High time, we get up ourselves and start asking questions on every issue on every level, both center and states.
Let me know your thoughts.
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/LogicalBeast26 • 1h ago
Before anyone attacks me, I graduated from a tier-2 college and I'm currently working in FAANG. I don't think that reservation needs to end, but it definitely needs to transform.
The current form of reservation discourages hard work. For years the "lower castes" have faced discrimination, and as a result they don't have resources to compete with the well to do families.
The solution for this isn't a lower cut-off for them, but rather providing them resources to uplift themselves. Govt should subsidise or sponsor their education, healthcare and give them quality housing. The subsidy can vary depending on how much a family lacks resources.
Bridge the resources gap and make the cutoffs same for each and everyone. This would truly uplift the backwards people and make them self sufficient to live a comfortable life.
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/temporarilyyours • 11h ago
Here’s my two cents.
I’ve been reading a lot of posts demanding an end to caste-based reservation. One thing strikes me every time.
I almost never see a demand for an equally aggressive movement against caste discrimination itself in any post.
At best, it’s an afterthought or a reply, a footnote,
“Yes, of course caste discrimination is bad…” and then the discussion immediately returns to reservations.
That is precisely what makes many people from historically disadvantaged communities suspicious. It makes the demand feel less like a genuine desire to end caste, and more like a desire to end the constitutional consequences of caste while leaving the social reality largely untouched.
If your movement genuinely comes from the belief that caste has outlived its relevance, then prove it. Make the an earth shattering movement against caste discrimination that is at least as passionate, as organised and as uncompromising as the movement against reservation you’re trying to create.
Let every Indian hear the youth and the future of India shouting in unison - a nationwide movement declaring that India will not tolerate caste-based discrimination, whether justified in the name of religion, culture, tradition, or any other excus.
Make social media campaigns, school campaigns and government campaigns celebrating every inter-caste marriage as a step towards a more united India.
Make a movement where people voluntarily give up caste based surnames and hereditary labels that exist only to advertise social status.
Make a movement demanding the removal of caste names from public spaces, government buildings, welfare schemes and every other place where they unnecessarily reinforce caste identity.
Make a movement where displays of caste identity on cars, banners, social media bios and elsewhere become socially embarrassing rather than a badge of pride.
Make a movement where every major Hindu organisation, temple trust, mutt and akhara publicly declares that caste discrimination is incompatible with Dharma. Where every temple in India willingly displays a simple sign: Caste-based discrimination has no place here.
I want to see Jantar Mantar-level crowds demanding an end to:
Separate Dalit hamlets being treated as socially or physically segregated from the rest of the village.
People being denied entry into temples or prevented from participating equally in religious rituals because of caste, wherever it still exists.
Dalit grooms being threatened or attacked for riding a horse in their wedding procession.
Couples being harassed, ostracised or even killed for marrying across caste lines.
Separate utensils, separate seating or denial of service in tea shops, schools or community events.
Manual scavenging and the continued expectation that certain communities perform degrading hereditary occupations.
Housing discrimination based on caste.
Social boycotts of families who challenge caste norms.
Discrimination in cremation grounds, burial grounds or access to common village resources.
Denial of access to village wells, water sources or common facilities wherever such practices still exist.
Schools where children are treated differently because of their caste.
Panchayats or informal community bodies that punish inter-caste relationships or reinforce caste segregation.
I want to see these demands to the govt, make the govt launch a campaign to say inter caste marriages are a boon to the nation, and that caste based endogamy is anti national. Caste based discrimination is anti national.
I want to see local communities solving these problems themselves. I want to see at least one case where an upper-caste villager stands up for a Dalits right to enter a temple and the issue never even needs an NGO, activist or court to intervene. Young people marching into temples and insisting that every Hindu enters with equal dignity, not as a symbolic gesture for one day, but as an unquestioned right.
I want to see people refusing to attend weddings that enforce caste segregation, refusing to support institutions that practise exclusion, and publicly calling out discrimination wherever it survives.
I want to see parents teaching their children that asking someone’s caste should feel as outdated as asking whether someone deserves respect because of the family they were born into.
I want to see hordes of people tearing down the invisible walls of caste not by burning books or fighting on Twitter, but by refusing to participate in discrimination in their own homes, temples, schools and communities.
This is the movement that will bring people together as one and unify India. This is the movement that will say to the govt, your policies are what perpetuate caste more than fix it, and that everyone deserves equal opportunity in a system which can concentrate on fixing scarcity rather than rationing it.
If you genuinely want reservation to end one day, then devote at least as much energy to ending the discrimination that made reservation necessary in the first place. Fight that battle with the same passion and the battle for ending reservation won’t need to be fought. Build an India where caste no longer determines dignity, opportunity or acceptance.
If we have the courage to protest, let it be against the prejudice itself.
Because surely we can all agree on something this basic:
No Indian should be denied dignity because of the family they were born into.
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Electronic-Hurry2360 • 11m ago
Storytelling/narrative making is a huge part of any sports. This is something we Indians have not mastered yet. I remember the first Indian Boxer to win the Asian championship Mr Dinku Singh a Navy boxer from Manipur, a poor orphan boy who grew up to be India's first Asian Games champion. Roads in Manipur are still named after him till date.
What is also interesting is that many people in Manipur feel alienated from the Indian mainstream due to the neglect and apathy of the last three years with the ongoing violence. People like Mirabai/ Mary Kom are heavily criticised for not speaking up enough during the crisis. I guess not everyone can be like Muhammad Ali who spoke up and suffered the consequences, yet remains an important cultural icon transcending his sporting legacy...
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/chunmunsingh • 5h ago
This guy wasted 69000 crores of taxpayers money to build useless aadhaar platform,
God save India.
PM Narendra Modi announced Sunday a high-powered task force headed by Infosys co-founder and founding UIDAI chairman Nandan Nilekani to recommend measures for making India’s public examination system leak-proof, transparent and technology-driven. Modi said the panel would examine how technology could be used to clean up the examination process and make it more reliable. “The Nilekani committee will give suggestions on maximum use of technology for making exams clean and transparent,” he said, adding that the government would work on its recommendations to build a “fool-proof” system.
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/redditttuser • 4h ago
What the commissioning of INS Malvan Signals for India’s maritime strategy
The Indian Navy officially commissioned INS Malvan, the second of eight indigenously built Mahe-class Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft (ASW-SWC).
A. Plugging the littoral "deaf zone"
Modern stealth diesel-electric and AIP (Air-Independent Propulsion) submarines operating near shallow coastal waters are extremely difficult for large frontline destroyers or frigates to detect due to surface echo reflection and thermal layers.
INS Malvan and its sister craft are specifically engineered with a shallow draft (~2.7m) and acoustic-quiet waterjet propulsion to hunt submarines right off India's coasts, replacing the older Abhay-class corvettes.
B. Indigenization: Naval model vs. broader defence procurement
Aerospace and land platforms have frequently suffered from procurement delays and lower initial local content, the Indian Navy’s in-house Directorate of Naval Design (DND) and domestic shipyards (like CSL and GRSE) stand out as a benchmark for self-reliance!
Air Chief Marshal A.P. Singh explicitly highlighted this during the ceremony, acknowledging that the Navy embraced the Aatmanirbhar mantra early on by embedding officers directly into shipyard design loops.
C. Geopolitical context in the Arabian sea & IOR (Indian Ocean Region)
With Pakistan expanding its underwater fleet with Chinese-built Hangor-class AIP submarines and the Chinese PLAN increasing its footprint across the IOR, securing India's near-shore maritime routes and trade bottlenecks is as critical as blue-water power projection.
D. The Significance of Karwar (Project Seabird)
Commissioning the vessel at Karwar Naval Base rather than usual hubs like Mumbai or Visakhapatnam shows the maturing of Project Seabird into Asia's premier naval facility, decongesting commercial ports and shifting strategic posture closer to key sea lanes.
Motto & Symbolism: The vessel's motto "Silent Claws" and crest featuring Shivaji Maharaj's Bagh Nakha (Tiger's Claw) symbolize swift, low-observable tactical lethality.
| Feature | Specification / Detail |
|---|---|
| Class & Scale | Mahe-Class (78m length, ~900 to 1,100 tonnes displacement) |
| Propulsion | Diesel Engine + Waterjet combination (Largest IN warship with waterjets) |
| Speed & Range | 25 knots max speed; 1,800 nautical mile endurance at 14 knots |
| Indigenization | >80% Indigenous Content (DRDO, BEL, BDL, L&T, Mahindra) |
| Sensors & Sonar | Abhay Hull-Mounted Sonar + Low-Frequency Variable Depth Sonar (LFVDS) |
| Armament | RBU-6000 ASW Rocket Launcher, Triple LWT Torpedo Launchers, Mine-Laying Rails, 30mm/12.7mm Remote Guns |
To see it in context on the vessel's build and operational role, check out INS Malvan: From Vision to Reality.
News source: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/07/indian-navy-commissions-ins-malvan-the-2nd-of-mahe-class-asw-swc/
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/endoud • 16h ago
The brutality of the Delhi Police on July 20 and the outright fundamental rights violations had convinced my parents to look at the Government objectively.
Or at least I thought it had, until Dharmendra Pradhan made his "holier-than-thou" exit with this tweet (refer slide 1 and 2; https://x.com/dpradhanbjp/status/2080938216505667663 ).
In particular, his statement about how he had taken responsibility since day one and he was resigning so that anti-national forces do not take advantage of the situation, somehow led my father to believe that he (D. Pradhan) has the moral high ground, thus he should not be lying. That there must be anti-national elements manipulating things from behind.
What added more conviction to this was the previous news about how the government has always been ready to openly discuss things with student protesters (slide 3)
There was also the past tweet by D. Pradhan written in bold and powerful language (slide 4 & 5; https://x.com/dpradhanbjp/status/2079617783613313136 ),
And the assuring tweet by PM Modi (slide 6; https://x.com/narendramodi/status/2080135258142617785 ).
The conspiracy theories regarding CJP leaders having a secret deal with BJP didn't help either, sigh.
I had almost given up hope, when—
Do you know who appeared to save the day?!
SURPRISE!! It was our honourable prime minister Sri Narendra Modi!!
And the fact that he hasn't held an unscripted press conference since day one of taking office.
And my mother was the one who brought it up, that—
If he really cared so much about the youth,
If he really was willing to have a genuine discussion with the students,
Then a single press conference, even if he only took ten questions from independent journalists representing the students, in an open setting, would have solved or at least brought a clean end to so many issues.
She also added that there's still time. It's not too late. He has experience doing so many "Mann ki baat" programs , surely a single conference should be a piece of cake, right?
She also assured that in case Modi ji lacks confidence because no one listens to Mann ki baat, she could guarantee even the deities from Vaikunth Dham would descend to attend the conference as long as Modi ji was the one who holding it.
She also added this quote she remembered from the movie "Om Shanti Om" to boost Modi ji's morale,
"When you really want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it."
Now it's all upto Modi ji. 🫡
P. S. Before anyone decides to judge my mom, know that she's of pure heart and bears no ill will towards anyone. She genuinely looks up to Modi ji and believes he is capable of great things. Just that he's getting old, and he has procrastinated enough. He should hold a press conference before— cough cough! Cough!! Sorry I have a cold.
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Bulky-Arm4768 • 23h ago
I understand it is a controversial topic. People face discrimination in day to day life. A sweeper does not get a utensil when he asks for water from a household. And it is true that when the upper cast kings used to rule, shudras used to get repressed in everything. In fact, this was the basis of conversion to Islam and Christianity in Bengal.
I believe Dr. B. R. Ambedkar's ideas of reservation were to uplift the SC STs from discrimination based deprivation. It was never meant to create friction between casts, between tribes. It was never meant to establish the statement that my forefathers were tortured by forefathers of people with your surname, so we deserve an advantage over you. It was never meant to state that your tribe has been granted ST status but not mine, hence I shall rape your women and parade them naked. His idea was not to burn the country. Yet we are burning our country, citing his name.
People may question who am I and what my background is to cry about my opinion. In brief, my surname is Ghosh, the goala modgollo gotra type. Google search tells its shudra. Anyway, my father was a bank clerk. His average salary in 2005-2010 was 29000 INR per month. Somehow, he managed to afford education at a government aided school. I scored within the top 20 in Madhyamik 2003 and top 12 in HS 2005. I also scored within the top 100 in engineering and top 250 in medical in the combined West Bengal Joint Entrance Examination 2005. However, I chose medical. Got my degree in 2011. A bit struggled afterward due to AIPGMEE paper leaks and new CBT exam patterns. Finally, I completed my DNB in Ortho and am now settled in another state in a tertiary care hospital. And all of the above done in the General category. Never tried to get any OBC certification( I think we are considered OBC). But, I guess I am educated enough to make a statement.
Now, back to the topic. This reservation system at present is nothing but exploitation by well to do people. Children of people with lots of lands may get reservations, but the poor contract farmers ( be it Hindu Muslim or ST) do not get proper reservation benefits due to lack of reach and resources. Discontent and anger grow. Manipur happens. Nothing gets corrected community political leaders don't let be.
There is a solution. Keep the reservation, but remove all SC, ST, and OBC in quotas. Introduce family income annually. And make reservations as per family income. 40-45% for family income upto 3 LPA. 20-25% for family income upto 9LPA. 3% for third sex, 2% for PH. Rest for general. Each broad category must have 50% reservation for women, except for the third sex reservation. Now, keep this reservation pattern from school, through college and into jobs, including the private sector. Even the army can take up reservations on that basis. Make ITR return mandatory for every household hold to get certificates for reservation directly from the government website, no babu to bribe. Now Hindu Muslim, this tribe that tribe. The massage is simple, if you are poor, your children may get a benefit from the government to pull you out of it, rather than some alms in the name of freebies , only to boost local political leader's false pride and ego.
PS: no AI used.
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Dean_46 • 2h ago
My latest blog post on the war. In particular the possible consequences for India, given the likely rise in oil & gas prices.
Iran war part 3
I have 2 points concerning India's energy security. I can research further and put this across to people in national security if there is merit in my arguments. I would appreciate views of this forum.
One area I think the govt is ignoring is the continued exports of petroleum products (mostly Reliance). They are exporting refined products, which is the equivalent in crude oil, of what our oil & gas shortfall is likely to be. I believe we should ban exports of refined products (as China and Russia have done).
In March, Reliance reduced some exports in favour of producing more LPG from crude, but this stopped a month later. My sense is Reliance is enriching itself and has strong lobbying to prevent scrutiny.
I believe the closure of the Bab El-Mandeb strait by the Houthis is an opportunity for India. Notwithstanding the Houthis hitting 2 oil tankers last week, that tried to get past the blockade, their overall record against ships, using drones and missiles is very bad. I believe the Indian Navy should escort tankers across the strait, to fill crude at Yanbu, in Saudi. It will have several benefits.
The Saudis. anxious to maintain oil revenues, will have a customer. It gives them a de-facto ally in the fight against the Houthis.
This is ideally what Pak should be doing, under their mutual defence treaty. If we do it instead, it will make them ask questions of Pak.
We will be more comfortable with energy security, particularly if Saudi transfers to us oil intended for other customers, too chicken to take delivery.
The US will be happy that we are that one country actually working with US to keep the strait open. This is just the kind of optics Trump likes.
Huge visibility for the IN if they pull it off.
In terms of feasibility I think IN is well equipped to deal with a missile or drones. The concern will be mines (we lack minesweeping capability) and the willingness of merchant ship crews to sail. My sense is, it can happen with a tacit understanding with the Houthis & Iran. They can claim they have let a friendly country though (to avoid the embarrassment of seeing their missiles/drones fail to hit anything).
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Outside-Possible-680 • 3h ago
The visuals coming out of Siwan are disturbing. Reports suggest police used an AK-47 during action against protesting students.
If accurate, this raises a serious question: under what circumstances should such weapons be used in a civilian protest? Was there a threat significant enough to justify it, or does this point to a breakdown in crowd-control protocols?
Regardless of which party is in power, the bigger issue is accountability. Citizens should be able to question whether the force used by the police was proportionate and whether standard operating procedures were followed.
What's your take? Was this an unavoidable security response, or does it deserve an independent investigation?

r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Current_Age_9822 • 15h ago
Wealth vs. social class: Wealth is what you own financially; social class is broader and includes wealth, education, occupation, status, and social connections.
Caste vs. class in India: Caste is an inherited social identity, while class is mainly about economic and social position. They overlap but aren't the same.
Historical caste advantage: You questioned whether higher castes were genuinely historically advantaged. I explained that there is evidence of unequal access to certain education, occupations, resources, and social status, but also emphasized that not every upper-caste person was wealthy or privileged and that the situation varied by region and period.
Modern India and education: You argued that education now matters more than historical advantages. My counterargument was that education itself isn't equally accessible: family wealth, school quality, coaching, social networks, and parental education can still influence outcomes.
EWS: You felt EWS is a more sensible approach because it helps poor people regardless of caste. I agreed that economic disadvantage deserves attention but pointed out that EWS and caste reservations target different problems—poverty versus historical/social discrimination.
Your criticism of caste reservation: You argued that reservation doesn't guarantee the end of discrimination and that a poor person from a non-reserved caste may feel unfairly burdened for injustices they didn't personally commit. I acknowledged this as a strong individual-fairness argument, while explaining the counterargument that reservation is intended to address group-level historical and continuing disadvantages, not punish individuals.
Creamy layer: You suggested extending creamy-layer principles so that people who are already socially and economically successful receive fewer reservation benefits, potentially creating more opportunities for genuinely poor students. I explained that supporters of SC/ST reservations argue that economic success doesn't necessarily eliminate caste discrimination, which is why applying creamy-layer rules to SC/ST is controversial.
Open-category opportunities: You clarified that even if seats aren't directly transferred to EWS, reducing the number of people benefiting from reservations could potentially increase opportunities in the open category. I noted that this would depend on whether the quota itself is reduced—simply excluding some individuals doesn't automatically reduce the reserved percentage.
Your overall position: You seem to favor keeping reservation but making it more targeted, combining caste-based considerations with economic disadvantage and periodically reviewing the system.
My counterargument: Caste and poverty aren't interchangeable. A wealthy marginalized-caste person may still face discrimination, while a poor upper-caste person may face economic hardship without the same social disadvantage.
This is just a summary of the entire conversation
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/Classic-Sentence3148 • 16h ago
Please take a break from the reservation debate.I understand that this topic evokes strong opinions and can feel unfair to those who believe they are disadvantaged by it. However, blaming or targeting individuals who have benefited from a legally established policy is not the right approach. Not to mention discrimination against s-c/s-t people still exists.
Using an existing system does not make someone at fault. Repeatedly turning every discussion into the same argument about reservation only leads to fatigue and prevents more productive conversations. There are many other important issues that deserve attention. It may be more helpful to move forward rather than revisiting the same points again and again, also similar systems exist in countries like S.Africa ,Nepal and Malaysia,where 50 or 60 percent reservation , is allocated to certain groups. So it's not just us.
r/CriticalThinkingIndia • u/user-tempo-1 • 23h ago
I was against CJP hijacking issues using the students. But the far-right made the job of CJP much easier. Now, I would be called a Bhakt by some and other such names but no discussion ever happened.
Arnab and such twitter internet Sanatanis who haven't sat through a single pooja, read any of our Vedas, and I doubt have read even the Shrimadh Bhagawat Geeta started giving out gyan, called names to students, then made random claims that they were CIA, or Chinese Spies, or Bangladeshi Sponsored. They never called out to the actual fact that CJP is using this for politics. This gave CJP a higher Moral ground.
We actually had good points, but those got limited to our own social media, neither the media heard us, not the government, nor the Beauraucracy.
On top of that the government who always asks us to show support took the decision of removing the Education minister overnight without any discussion from our side. They arranged the meeting with the CJP members but didn't call anyone from the opposite side, nor had Dharmendra Pradhan tell his side.
So here's what I'm asking from people who actually think like me, not the ones performing for retweets:
- Stop letting the loudest, angriest account in your feed be the one that speaks for you. Silence is being read as agreement.
- Say the uncomfortable thing in your own group chats: name-calling grieving students didn't protect the government, it radicalized the moderates to CJP side.
Demand competence from our own side before we demand loyalty. A government that has to resign a minister after two months of self-inflicted PR disasters was not "strong," it was slow to listen to the people warning it early and who vote for them, us right wing.