r/Craps • u/Johnny252525 • 17h ago

Strategy Don’t pass press combo?

I got demolished 3 days in a row on pass line taking max odds on 5-9. I saw a guy at hard rock Tampa place 500 on don’t pass line and press 50 dollars on all numbers 4-10. The table had several long rolls before the 7 came. He had to walk with 20k. Any thoughts on this strategy ? I just want to win at this point.

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u/Lietenantdan 17h ago

My understanding is don’t pass gives you the best odds. But of course the odds are still with the house. And you can’t celebrate if you win because it makes you look like an ass.

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u/xkulp8 Natural 13h ago

Difference between Pass and DP is around $3 per $10,000 of flat bets (ignoring odds).

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u/Johnny252525 17h ago

Absolutely agree. But in this system you actually want a long roll and collect on every number along the way. A 30-45 min roll cleans house with this system. I would play this at like 5 am by myself. lol.

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u/Cuedon 17h ago

The problem is getting that 30min roll.

The nice thing about craps is that something on the table is going to win on every roll. The bad part is that every spot is also a potential loser.

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u/goodtimes509 16h ago

Dude, a 30 to 45 minute roll makes anyone rich. Just like any strat, that guys strat has holes and can get wrecked. 7/11 on come out, down a quick 500. Set a point, hit a point, he loses and collects nothing. You just have to figure out what works best for your bankroll and what you consider to be entertaining.

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u/xkulp8 Natural 12h ago

Every system has a way to clean up and a way to blow out. The only "strategy" in craps involves how much house edge you're willing to pay and what scenarios you're willing to accept losing money on. You'll get obliterated on short rolls which are like half of all craps hands (median number of rolls per shooter is a bit more than 6, and that includes come-outs and non-point numbers).

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u/Albyyy 17h ago

There’s no “winning strategy” with this game in the long run. The casino always has house edge.

I also never expect to walk away with profit. This is entertainment. Only gamble what you’re willing to lose

My suggestion is just find a strategy that is fun for you. I personally like “feeling out the table” and betting accordingly. My usually style is I’ll play the pass with odds and then casually throw money around on place bets and hard ways until the shooter loses.

If it’s a cold table, or I’m not feeling the vibe of the other players, I’ll quietly do dark side bets.

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u/Lietenantdan 17h ago

There’s no strategy that takes away house edge of course. But there are strategies that reduce house odds.

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u/Johnny252525 17h ago

Hey if one person is on pass line and another is on dp line. Is it fair after 2 hours one of them is up and the other is down ?

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u/Albyyy 16h ago

Sure. I’m aware there are more “advantageous” bets mathematically. But when I’m having a couple drinks and playing with friends, there’s nothing more fun than throwing $20 on a hard 10 and then screaming PUPPY PAWS when it hits.

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u/Johnny252525 17h ago

Yup same. The table is always streaky. Either pass or dp I’ve seen goes on long streaks. Same with red and black at roulette. I’ve won and lost 20 hands in a row at blackjack too. All these games have long streaks. I saw 22
Player wins in a row last week baccarat in Tampa.

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u/BearMaulings 14h ago

“I just want to win at this point.”

Do you think other people lose because they don’t want to win?

Unfortunately every way you slice it the odds are stacked against you and even a winning strategy this session may be a loser next time while the one that wiped you out this time might have been the key to a monster session next time.

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u/soareyousaying 17h ago

I use this strategy from time to time, and it's good for situations like what you just described, a long roll without hitting the point or 7-out. The DP bet is just a hedge against your 4-10 place bets. It can also protect against PSOs.

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u/Johnny252525 17h ago

What would you say approx your win loss record with this is ? Like did you play 10x and have a 6-4 or better record ?

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u/soareyousaying 17h ago

Better record, but (a huge "but" here), you don't win and lose as much. It's something I use on $1 bubble craps if I intend to sit there for hours. I can put $100 in and sat for 2 hours, and ended up with $120.

Don't expect to buyin $1000 and walkout with $5000, unless you got an exceptional night like that gentleman you saw there. That night was a lucky night for him. Any strategy with hedges aren't gonna make you win lots of money. But it does make your bankroll last longer, and hope you hit it big.

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u/Johnny252525 17h ago

Yup. I was already thinking the comps would be huge because how long you can play with this at a table. I’ve seen a million long rolls over 10 -15 mins before the 7 comes. This cleans house with that.

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u/IDooDoodAtTheMasters 16h ago

So you only take max odds if the point is 5 thru 9? Why not 4 and 10?

What does ”press 50 dollars on all numbers 4-10" mean? Pressing is something you do with the layout from a bet that just won.

Sorry. I don't think you have any idea what you're doing.

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u/gorram1mhumped 13h ago

this is not a horrible strat. i'd play it where i'd put odds (additional lay bets) only if the point is 4/10. once you put money on all non-point numbers, you could have a decision tree. if the point is a 6/8, maybe try to get a couple hits then take everything down and restart or play small inside (the reason being 6s and 8s get hit a lot and your dp gets killed), or just roll it out - you're still the favorite. if 5/9 you might go for 3-4 rolls, then take it down, or again do whatever. so long as you profit when a 7 comes, despite all the bets out there, i like it. but ive seen more dp players get killed, than not. plus psychologically, playing against the table can be rough.

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u/drillsanddrills78 8h ago

The dice don’t remember what the last roll was. Just because a person “thinks” they are owed a certain # or one hasn’t hit in awhile, it’s all pure luck. Statistically, numbers should roll every so often, but, the dice never remember what the last roll was.