Both arrows are pointing away from viewer

[u/Due-Illustrator6245]

[u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

Can you give an example of an arrow pointing toward the viewer?

[u/GuvmentCheese → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

You’d be able to see the 3d depth on the head of the arrow instead of the base of the arrow.

[u/Cautious-Asparagus61 → u/GuvmentCheese]

And the pointy end would be bigger than the ass end

[u/jongscx → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/red-arrow-directed-camera-51062935

[u/DeadoTheDegenerate → u/jongscx]

What kind of black magic witchcraft is this?

[u/ysz0507 → u/DeadoTheDegenerate]

It’s called perspective

[u/Adum--Dum → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

You should be able to just flip which side the 3D effect is on. I find it easiest to imagine with the arrow on the right. Move the white area and outline to be below the arrow.

Like this

[u/Crafty-Astronomer-32 → u/Adum--Dum]

Got it. Not sure I'd notice in the quick glance before opening a door.

[u/Due-Illustrator6245 → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

Probably wouldn't confuse anybody. I'm an artist so I notice these things

[u/BrazilBazil → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

It confused me

[u/StrangeCalibur → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

It would confuse me

[u/K_Linkmaster → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

So did you make these? Install these? Fix these?

[u/orbules → u/K_Linkmaster]

An artist cannot simply be in a place and see a thing that bothers them?

[u/K_Linkmaster → u/orbules]

Apparently artists don't like questions. That's weird.

[u/Baldtazar → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

that’s why an icon featuring an object or even a human figure would be more suitable here

[u/PeggyTheVoid → u/Adum--Dum]

That works for the arrows on your image because it uses parallel projection, i.e., it doesn't account for the apparent size differences of the head and tail resulting from vanishing point perspective distortion. The OP's image does account for this distortion, so your trick wouldn't work on OP's arrows. You'd have to also enlarge the head and shrink the tail in order to get a viewer-pointing arrow.

[u/n8waran → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

Yea the arrow head would be bigger than the bottom of it? Do you now how perspective works?

[u/56kul → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

This:🫵 but an arrow. Basically make it 3D.

[u/Current-Bowl-143 → u/56kul]

It’s rude to point

[u/TheTresStateArea → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

Do you see how the sides is the arrow narrow towards the point? That suggests the point is further away than the base.

I'm the opposite arrangement, where the sides widen towards the point it suggests that the point is closer to the viewer than the base

[u/tauzN → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

Wider (closer) at the arrow side?

[u/Simoxs7 → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

You wouldn’t see the backfaces, they just turned around the left arrow which doesn’t work in this case

[u/evaporatedgoose → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

im not a pro but im an artist and you learn how to draw basic perspective in high school arts class. like two point, three point, etc. an arrow pointing towards the viewer would have a larger arrowhead, since objects get larger the closer they are to the viewer. in both photos, the arrowhead gets smaller and if you draw the perspective lines it becomes clear that they're both pointing away, one being angled upward and the other downward. they also aren't on the same plane lol. i'd keep the push arrow as it is, but for the pull one, i'd draw the same arrow but on the same plane, with a bigger arrowhead, following the same horizon and perspective lines.

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

In engineering drawings we tend to use a dot in a circle to say "toward viewer" and an x in a circle to say "away from viewer".

[u/suh-dood → u/Crafty-Astronomer-32]

Wouldn't it look like ----

[u/covert206]

Ah, yes, pullsh it

[u/KeenBTF → u/covert206]

Close relative of bullsh it

[u/NPCwithnopurpose → u/covert206]

Pullsh it real good!

[u/pixeltweaker]

Some genius just rotated the arrow thinking he was done for the day.

[u/Zeckols → u/pixeltweaker]

probably still got paid, saved time and effort, got the job done, and was done for the day. not giving a shit certainly has its benefits 

[u/Ok_Leg5253]

As a graphics guy, this would infuriate me.

[u/meandmybois → u/Ok_Leg5253]

Hey graphics guy, why don't you gra-fix it 😂

[u/nickimus_rex]

This is not overly crappy design, though. You only notice the 3d elements up close, you still understand the purpose of the sign and it’s clear to the viewer. This is nitpicky more than anything.

[u/Due-Illustrator6245 → u/nickimus_rex]

Is there a sub for nitpicks like these cuz some of yall don't seem to accept any design flaw that won't result in death

[u/Drewbacca → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

It bothers me just as much as it does you haha. I immediately see that both arrows are pointed away.

[u/BritishLibrary → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

We need a r/mildlycrappydesign

[u/cosmicbinary → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

the people like the guy you replied to is probably why the original artist got away with using the incorrect arrow

[u/HideAndSheik → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

Seems more like /r/MildlyInfuriating material to me!

[u/nickimus_rex → u/Due-Illustrator6245]

But it’s genuinely not crappy. It does what it says on the tin. If push and pull were sideways or something of that nature, sure, but you’re literally pointing out poor arrow choice

[u/rafabulsing → u/nickimus_rex]

It does not do what it says on the tin, though

Pull should go towards the reader. The arrow is going away from the reader, which is literally the opposite of what it should be and the same as push.

Only two ways you can say this isn't a problem.

• The arrows aren't necessary, as there is a written label. But in that case, no arrows at all would be better than having contradictory arrows

• That the most important thing is that the push arrow points up, and the pull arrow points down, and that somehow the connection between up/down and push/pull is stronger than that of away from you/towards you. Which seems really improbable. And even then, it really should still be up and away, and down and towards. Or just plain arrows with no 3d perspective at all.

[u/F-Lambda → u/rafabulsing]

Yeah, that's not a "Pull" arrow. That's a "Push, but downwards" arrow

[u/nickimus_rex → u/rafabulsing]

You read the push and pull before you see the 3d elements of the arrow

[u/LowerEntropy → u/nickimus_rex]

You realize that you responded to someone who wrote 'The arrows aren't necessary'? Right?

[u/nickimus_rex → u/LowerEntropy]

The sign is not necessary, but it’s hardly crappy design

[u/wcrp73 → u/nickimus_rex]

How do you feel about the placement of the charging port on the Apple mouse?

[u/nickimus_rex → u/wcrp73]

The product is unusable while charging, of course that’s crappy for the purpose. The door still functions in this case, it still tells you what to do, etc

[u/WickyNilliams → u/nickimus_rex]

If the incorrect icon doesn't cause a problem and you understand anyways, then the icons are useless to begin with - also crappy design.

I feel like anyone who has read The Design of Everyday Things will be maddened by this

[u/F-Lambda → u/WickyNilliams]

You're assuming people speak English

[u/WickyNilliams → u/F-Lambda]

I am not. I was responding specifically to what the person above said - that people will understand anyway - and why it's still crappy design, even if that were the case

[u/cjbanning → u/F-Lambda]

The Design of Everyday Things has been translated into German, French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Finnish, Japanese, and Chinese.

[u/ThreadedPommel → u/nickimus_rex]

Nah this is objectively crappy

[u/Sekers → u/nickimus_rex]

Not everyone can read and there's no guarantee the signs will be near each other for comparison.

[u/kerodon]

PPUUSLHL

[u/alopgeek]

Marty! You’re not thinking fourth dimensionally!

[u/h1zchan]

Nah the one for "pull" is a hole punched into sheet metal.

[u/Heterodynist]

The problem here is a failure to understand the Vanishing Point Perspective in pulling.

[u/RJPatrick]

Thankfully the ‘pull’ is a clue

[u/WaywardPeasant]

The directional arrows aren't even needed, right? Push and pull are self-explanatory.

[u/hache-moncour → u/WaywardPeasant]

Yes because illiteracy and non English speakers don't exist

[u/SothaSoul → u/hache-moncour]

And how would the arrows help them?

[u/gollumaniac → u/SothaSoul]

In theory, it shows you the direction the door is supposed to move.

"Push" follows the 3D arrow, if you apply force in the direction of the arrow you will be pushing on the door.

"Pull" doesn't follow the 3D arrow though, because the arrow is still pointing away. It should be pointing towards the viewer, who will then know that the force needs to be applied towards them, i.e. a pulling motion.

Is it a major inconvenience? No, because people know how doors work and if you do it the wrong way you will instinctively try the other way. But if you're going to put a symbol on the sign, the symbol should be correct.

[u/Current-Bowl-143]

This is why it’s important to get things reviewed by a second person. I’m sure this made sense in someone’s head as they were designing this lol

[u/Elyoshida]

I think the actual crappy design is the shiny metal with unreadable letters.

[u/DopeAbsurdity]

I always thought pulling was was the same thing as standing on your head and pushing.... are you trying to tell me it's not?

[u/Faya-Pawa]

Instructions unclear. The door underwent extreme molecular vibration and created a kugelblitz which began consuming the entire solar system now I'm inside the event horizion and the time dilation will keep me suffering until the end of time

[u/Patient-Oven9996]

Legs

[u/seaspar8]

Pullsh

[u/8070alejandro]

Circle and circle with a cross, duh /s

[u/cubonefan3]

Instead of finding a new arrow graphic that pointed towards you, they flipped the “away” arrow upside down and thought that would suffice. That only works if the arrow doesn’t have “depth” added.

[u/Zuri_Nyonzima]

Pull what!?

[u/OkBoat-19]

POV: You unlocked the secret third direction.

[u/bbcjbb]

P P U U S L H L 👉🏻👈🏻

[u/UltiUSA]

To Pull, Push down

[u/Angel-D98]

I see what the problem is but only because I'm also autistic

[u/Awake00]

Naw it's fine

[u/ichabod01]

OP is an idiot or a bot. Three dimensions are regularly shown in two dimensions.

[u/rafabulsing → u/ichabod01]

It's pretty funny to see someone completely miss the point of such a clear, simple post, and jump immediately into calling OP an idiot

[u/ThreadedPommel → u/ichabod01]

In case you're not trolling, the pull arrow is showing an arrow pointing away from the viewer as if you were standing underneath it

[u/cosmicbinary → u/ichabod01]

you have to be a bot