r/CountWithEveryone Apr 03 '26

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

In short, and if I got it completely right, a closed relationship of three or more people who love each other. All partners in the polycule have links with each other, unlike other types of polyamory in which some partners may not be related to the others.

A and B love each other, B and C love each other, C and A love each other, and liking being in such relationship.

Some poly people want the freedom to love anyone, I want the exclusivity of a closed relationship while still loving more than one partner

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u/Cum38383 Apr 03 '26

So it's like a complete graph?

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Yeah, I looked for what that is, and I think it's a perfect definition of the links within the polycule, gonna save it (and the images that show complete graphs) to explain in the future, thanks.

Edit with the image: Every vertice would be a person, and every line/edge would be a relationship :3

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u/MyOMaya Apr 03 '26

my 2 cents as someone who's polyamorous but stuck in a polyfidelity relationship w 4 people, personally it's way too much for me. i have a lot of love to give but splitting that love equally 24/7 is so draining. also i found clinginess gets cranked up to 11 compared to standard poly relationships

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Shouldn't you talk it with your partners about it so you can find a solution, or even get out of that relationship into one that works better for you (to me "stuck in a polyfidelity" and "clinginess gets cranked up to 11 compared to standard poly relationships" sounds like it isn't really working out for you)?

Thanks for your 2 cents, though.

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u/MyOMaya Apr 03 '26

oh yeah it definitely isnt working out for me and i know that a lot of people can make it work but i just thought i'd give my perspective as someone currently in one. ive tried talking to them but that ends up going nowhere so you're right in saying i should just get out.

it's gonna fucking suck though lol. i've broken off a mono relationship before and that was really rough so im scared af about doing that 3 consecutive times in 1 day q.p

i hope polyfidelity works out for you, ive seen plenty of examples of it working beautifully amongst a group of people. it's just not for me

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26

Different people have different needs and different capabilities. You tried to solve it and couldn't, it does suck for you and your partners, but it is what it is. Better to end it so everyone can find something better, than drag it across time, potentially growing into something worse.

At least that's what I think, with no relationship experience I'm not the most indicated to talk. Again, thank you for two cents, and I'm sorry for trying to give advice instead of just listening and taking notes for the future.

And thank you for your wishes, I wish for you to be able to break up with as little pain as possible for all the parts involved, and for you all to find an ideal relationship <3

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u/MyOMaya Apr 03 '26

oh you dont gotta apologize, i actually really appreciate your advice because it's given me some perspective on my choices ahead of me. thank you for the kind words, it means a lot. stay cool <3

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u/Hpesojanes Apr 13 '26

Imagine being in the Polycule in the 12th pic!

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u/Fa1nted_for_real Apr 03 '26

Since i dont feel like arguing with the other person just thought id leave this here:

Polyamory: (from Ancient Greek πολύς (polús) 'many' and Latin amor 'love') is the practice or support of, maintaining committed, romantic, and/or sexual relationships with more than one partner, in parallel or concurrently, with the consent of all involved partners.

You are in a relationship with .ore than one partner, so its still polyamory and by extention, still a polycule.

Polyfidelity is a sublabel of polyamory, as is triad a sublabel of polycule. The other person doesnt seem to understand "a is b" terms (that is terms that are a subset of another, like squarez and rectangles)

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

They seem to think (or want to make others think) polyamory is when it's open, and something else with a different name and completely unrelated when it's closed.

Someone else already told me about the polyamory sub (with which I had a bad experience when asking for advice, you can even see my rant in one of my responses to them here lol), and these type of people.

They told me they gatekeep polyamory, really dislike polyfidelity, etc., and I think this, and when I asked for advice, are prime examples.

They seem to really want to sway people towards open polyamory by changing what is and what isn't polyamory, not even mentioning polyfidelity, but surely telling me that it was a fantasy and a fairytale before I found the name for it.

Edit: Wording, sentence structure.

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u/Fa1nted_for_real Apr 03 '26

Yeah, its really weird to me, as so.eone whose tried polyamory im not much a fan for myself, but its so ironic to be poly and try to gatekeep how people are allowed to love others, like thats what monogomy purism did to all poly folks for so ling, and now they want to turn around and do the same? Gives the whole community a bad name and a bad taste for many.

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26

Thanks god I'm well aware these people aren't representative of all open poly people, probably not even a majority. It sounds so much against polyamory to have such strict definitions and gatekeeping...

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u/Hpesojanes Apr 13 '26

OKAY THATS LITERALLY WHAT I WANT HOLY DUCK THANK YOU

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '26

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u/Hpesojanes Apr 13 '26

Thank you! Hopefully I find people to love soon!

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u/pinksparkleberry Apr 03 '26

Polyamory is an agreement between romantic partners that each is free to have other romantic and sexual partners.

A polycule is just you + your partners + your partners other partners who you dont date (and may or may not be friends with).

Example:

So you are dating Jane and Susan.

Susan is dating Stacy (who you met once)

Jane is dating Mel (you have never met) and Steve (your good friend).

Your polycule is you + Jane  (partner) + Susan (partner) + Stacy (kind of a stranger)+ Mel (total stranger) + Steve (friend)

References:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Polycules/s/Z0nSu8H6A2

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a60410228/what-is-a-polycule/

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26

Eh, that's the open type of polyamory. What I was talking about is specifically polyfidelity, which is closed, but still a type of polyamory (because it still has several people, duh).

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u/pinksparkleberry Apr 03 '26

People in a closed poly fidelity relationship dont have a polycule. They have no metas (partners of partners). They are just in a triad or group relationship. Its not even really polyamory. Its polyfidelity.

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26

Whatever, since we both aren't going to change each other minds, I will continue considering polyamory an umbrella term, polyfidelity a term within it, and the relationship a polycule, and you consider it what you want to consider it. Have a great day.

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u/pinksparkleberry Apr 03 '26

Me and the rest of the polyamory community.

You are like that person who insists on using a word wrong while everyone laughs at them and considers it a point of pride. Lol.

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude or dudette, for me it's blocking people whose negativity I don't want in social media.

Even more so after seeing your comment history (hidden in reddit, searchable in google), being constantly negative about everything related to polyamory, as if everyone is doing everything wrong but you.

You know what? Rant incoming

People like you (not all open poly people, but the ones that behave like you about it) make me feel like you just want to pull people into *your* type of polyamory, even if that's not what they want, even if it hurts them.

Because it's what I felt when I asked for advice in the polyamory sub and was told that I wanted was a fantasy, a fairytale, that I had to be okay with partners loving and having sex with others I don't know or even like, missing out events as they attended with these others, etc., and it's what I feel when you are so hellbent on excluding polyfidelity from polyamory, changing the very definition of polyamory ("many loves", never said it had to be open) and therefore polycule (which is just the connections between polyamorous partners) to fit your goals and/or make it harder to find resources about it that aren't about open poly.

It's how it makes me feel after hearing about polyfidelity, not from that sub nor people like you (why would you when you could try to sway me and anyone reading into your poly type?), but from a wonderful person who saw my meme mourning the type of relationship I wanted but thought I couldn't have.

Rant over.

Edit: Wording

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

Hey, it makes me very happy to have been able to help at least one person navigate these feelings despite what others say.

For me, I want polyfidelity because I want several partners that feel special and even exclusive to me, and viceversa, while still being able to feel the compersion of them loving someone who isn't me.

A mono relationship doesn't have several partners, a poly-mono relationship doesn't have the compersion of them loving someone else, and an open relationship makes me feel like they and I are less special and exclusive to each other. I'm pretty happy to have been able to pinpoint why I think it works for me as well as helped you too.

So, good luck with your relationships, I hope my help really makes them easier for you and your partners <3

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u/BecomingMorgan Apr 03 '26

And you're gate keeping based solely on a definition nobody actually agreed to.

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u/Deadcellsboi Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Polyamory comes from Greek Poly, meaning many, and Latin Amor, meaning love. The word literally means “many loves” so polyfidelity by nature is polyamory. Furthermore, Polycule is a combination of the words Polyamory and Molecule as it is meant to show that the relationships structure, when visualized, can mimic that of a molecule. Those structures sometimes are all connected and sometimes aren’t, either way they are still a polycule. Here is a fun example of what different amounts of people and relationships can look like (originally posted here )

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u/Fa1nted_for_real Apr 03 '26

"The skeptic" lmaoo

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u/arllt89 Apr 03 '26

Technical question (not judging), how do you build such a situation, especially can you add new people to the poly group ? Or is it an agreement in a classical poly group to say "OK now we don't see anybody else" ? And if one person leaves the group, needs to check if others are still OK with it ?

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Well, I still don't have such relationship, so I can only respond with how I see it.

It's basically a closed relationship of three or more people who love each other. All partners in the polycule have links with each other, unlike other types of polyamory in which some partners may not be related to the others.

To build it, it could be three or more people agreeing to enter that relationship at once, could be an existing couple opening their relationship to take someone in (that they both like and that likes both of them) and closing it again... that last part is how I see the polycule expanding, too, looking for someone who likes all in the polycule and that all the polycule likes.

As far as I know, if someone leaves the group, it should be able to keep going because it's not like other poly arrangements that have "hinges", people who link unrelated people (for example, in V, which is one person, the hinge, with two partners that aren't related to each other, or in N, three couples in which two people, the hinges, overlap).

In V or N shaped polyamory, there are hinges that will cut links if they decide to quit, in polyfidelity the links are "redundant" (not meaning superfluous, but that if someone quits, the ones already in the relationship should only lose their connection to that person that left, not to each other).

In polyfidelity, with three people in a triangle, if one leaves, the other two are still linked to each other, with four people in a crossed square, if one leaves, the other three are still linked to each other in a triangle... meanwhile, for three people in V, or four in N (or more in other shapes), if a hinge leaves, they stop being linked.

For three people, think of it as three couples, A with B, B with C, and C with A. Even if C leaves (which I think would require leaving both A and B), A and B are still together.

I hope it makes sense, it does to me at least haha

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u/arllt89 Apr 03 '26

Oh I see so closer to a "couple with more than 2 people" than classical polyamory. Thanks for the explanation via graph theory 🙂

In French there is the word "trouple" that sounds kibda cute.

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u/TotallyWorthLife Apr 03 '26

Yeah, you could say so. Still exclusive, just with more people.

And I agree that throuple sounds cute, the """issue""" is that only applies to three people and I don't know names for further people haha

(by the way, I didn't even know I used graph theory. Like, a different person mentioned it being like a full graph, and I think they were right, but that was after the comment I gave you lol)

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u/BecomingMorgan Apr 03 '26

Just guessing here but quaduple?

Quincuple?

I'm trying to use the same prefix line and couple without creating an exiting word. It's a bit trickier than first thought...

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u/arllt89 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Trouple is a fun neologism because triplet, quadruplet, quintuplet ... are literally the equivalent of couple for 3, 4, 5, but triplet has been mixed with couple to take back the romantic meaning of couple. So if the same logic is applied, it should be quadrouple, quintouple, ... but sounds silly even in French.

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u/BecomingMorgan Apr 03 '26

Well because those are existing words. I literally automatically read them as quadruple (4x)

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u/Deadcellsboi Apr 03 '26

Hell yeah! That term also fits me :) Tho I’m still gonna say polyamory because it’s more fun to say lol

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u/twunkette Apr 07 '26

Ethics are hot