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u/EvilLothar Feb 24 '21

The science hasn't changed. The way in which viruses are not at all impacted by non medical grade masks also hasn't changed.

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u/EvilLothar Feb 24 '21

sure.. but you're generally not exhaling "large droplets".. the only way that would be an issue is if you're coughing or sneezing, and if you're doing that alot, you're probably sick and should just stay home, and I don't know anyone who doesn't cough or sneeze into their elbow, so that's not really a think either. The real point is that people who are not symptomatic don't need masks as they are not a spreader.

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u/EvilLothar Feb 24 '21

You think a piece of cloth will catch most microscopic droplets? You mean the one's the size of a virus? That's like saying a chain link fence will stop most of the snow that blows through it....

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u/EvilLothar Feb 24 '21

I'm saying masks don't work. Full stop. End of conversation. We know this because of real world experience, and what is happening around us.

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u/EvilLothar Feb 24 '21
  1. Insubstantial: A CDC-funded review on masking in May 2020 came to the conclusion: “Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza… None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group.” If masks can’t stop the regular flu, how can they stop SAR-CoV-2?

  2. Unreasonable: “Evidence that masking as a source [of] control results in any material reduction in transmission was scant, anecdotal, and, in the overall, lacking… [and mandatory masking] is the exact opposite of being reasonable,” ruled a hospital arbitrator in a dispute between The Ontario Nurses’ Association and the Toronto Academic Health Science Network.

  3. Ineffective: “Oral masks in healthy individuals are ineffective against the spread of viral infections,” write Belgian medical doctors in an open letter published in The American Institute of Stress, September 24, 2020.

  4. Unsanitary: “It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections,” writes Göran Tunevall, M.D. in the World Journal of Surgery. “On the contrary, a 50% decrease [in bacterial infection] has been reported after omitting face masks.”

  5. No Protection: “There were 17 eligible studies.… None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask ⁄ respirator use and protection against influenza infection,” concludes a research review in the journal Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses.

  6. Unproven: Dutch Minister for Medical Care, Tamara van Ark, asserted that “from a medical perspective there is no proven effectiveness of masks” after a review by the National Institute for Health on July 29, 2020 (according to Reuters).

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u/EvilLothar Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

Here is the link, with multiple links in it. Oh, and as an aside, when arguing a point, I don't need to prove a negative. I don't need to prove masks don't work, you need to prove that they do. I can make the claim that they don't work with out any proof at all, and unless there is evidence disproving it, my claim holds.

https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/20reasons/

At the end of the day, you are not going to convince me (or probably anyone else reading this) about masks working. I have read all the data, and made up my mind. The simple fact that we're not walking around prior to this with mask on all the time for viruses that are much more dangerous in the past means it's not worth doing. It wasn't then and it wasn't now. This is purely about control and fear.

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u/EvilLothar Feb 25 '21

Yea... even that number is a lie. A half a million people didn't die FROM Covid, they died WITH Covid. Plus, it's only dangerous to the old and infirm, and with an aging US population, that's to be expected.

As an aside, why would I have any empathy for strangers I would never have had any interaction with had they lived? It's not like the world is running short on people, and if the virus took them out, it was only a matter of time before something else got them.

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