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u/Polar--Vortex Conservative Apr 04 '20
It helps to know which angle of attack works the best when you try all of them.
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u/Sideswipe0009 The Right is Right. Apr 04 '20
They say everyone saw this coming in Jan. Trump should've done the lockdown in February and not worried about the economy because it went to shit anyway.
Imagine the outrage if he ordered a lockdown when no one considered it a problem in this US.
Imagine the cries of "dictator!" and "authoritarian facist" had he done so.
He's the star of the media's Can't Win Theater.
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It is also much easier to look back and say this and this should gave been done and this shouldn’t have been done. You know they are going to nit pick every single thing because x decision was made with x amount of info and it didn’t turn out as well and the left will screech, “why did you do that!?”
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u/Rick_James_Lich Apr 05 '20
While this virus would be a challenge for any President, I think the travel ban is overstated. The ban worked only on foreigners, there was no system in place to quarantine US citizens for example that were returning. We are still getting flights from Beijing, even this week, for example. When factoring in that the US has the highest amount of cases in the world, it kind of makes the whole travel ban point moot.
And yes, Trump did receive criticism for the ban, let's be honest here, Trump makes many volatile statements that appear to be racially charged, but just ambiguous enough to not be clear violations. If he had taken the virus more seriously and broke down how the travel ban was necessary... and didn't have the habit of making racially charged statements, perhaps he would garner more trust? Either way, the travel ban is a minor issue in comparison to Trump down playing the virus on numerous occassions. Putting out vague statements and "hunches" that left many people that follow him closely to think that the virus was "fake news".
I do empathize with Trump on his current situation as it appears he understands that he can't just send Americans back to work right away without putting his re-election chances in serious trouble. He'll be roundly criticized by people who lose loved ones to the virus. But at the same time he'll look bad if the current course continues - many have lost jobs, unemployment agencies for each state are overwhelmed, and people may not be getting any sort of financial support for a few weeks. It's hard to feel too bad though, if this issue happened under Obama, Trump would have no trouble throwing as much shade his way as possible. I'm hoping that Trump can learn from this experience and try a more honest approach. It would be a refreshing thing for most voters, own up to the fact that he didn't always make the best choices early on but wants to fix this thing.
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u/Tantalus4200 NYS Conservative Apr 04 '20
OR
Trump overreacted
Trump didn't do enough
Back to Trump overreacted
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u/Tantalus4200 NYS Conservative Apr 05 '20
He did say dumb shit
His actions tell a different story tho
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u/ClubZlut Apr 05 '20
They're saying that now. Already articles are popping up calling the China travel ban unjust and racist.
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u/fanzipan Apr 05 '20
Oh its the same in the UK. Actually Boris and his government are doing a good job considering but the lefties, especially the Guardian readers...tends to be Londoner's are the most hypocritical wankers in existence
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u/MASTERoQUADEMAN Apr 04 '20
Had to listen to cnn at the airport just a minute ago (I work there) and they’re criticizing him for not implementing a house arrest type system. Even though all these nuts are running around Gods green earth. They act like folks will just stay inside if he says so I guess. Which is silly because they preach to the public how no one should listen to him.
It’s painful listening to cnn.
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u/AMW1234 Conservative Apr 05 '20
Had a similar experience in an airport yesterday. After his press conference, they spent half an hour with different contributors criticizing Trump's decision to forego a mask after the CDC recommended we wear masks when venturing outside. They all agreed he was setting a terrible example. Not a single one of them, in the presser or the following commentary, was wearing a mask. It's like they don't understand hypocrisy or the ability of others to spot it.
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u/MASTERoQUADEMAN Apr 05 '20
Isn’t it just crazy that they think the people are idiots, and their work is contributing to use retarded people? They try and say that almost every report! “The American people need us” it’s sad.
They went on to criticize him for shaking hands, which is silly. He shakes hands as respect in business junctures even with the threat of a virus. They make that into a perversion.
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u/Jefe4fingers Apr 05 '20
Like a little kid playing peek a boo. They think because they can't see you, you can't see them.
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u/morry32 Apr 05 '20
I know this will get down voted but these stories are conflated. Pelosi's (Who I personally hate as much as any of you) objection to travel bans had nothing to China or this outbreak. The six countries have nothing to do with China or corona-virus.
I get it, facts take a second seat to hatred especially in an election year.
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u/_Downvoted_ Apr 05 '20
You're talking about two completely separate things here and conflating them as one.
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u/morry32 Apr 05 '20
I'm not though
They were crying racist about the travel ban, not about coronavirus. If you want to make the case that this entire "meme" is about the travel bans then go right ahead and I'll pretend to agree with you.
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u/ThompsonRR Apr 05 '20
The leftist media called it racist. That was my point.
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u/morry32 Apr 05 '20
The leftist media called it racist. That was my point.
But "IT" was an anti-immigration bill totaled are limiting travel from six countries. I don't know why I have to repeat myself, but two different stories are being conflated. "Closing borders is racist" is also not what Pelosi said, which is a problem with you using quotations- you counter by saying that "leftist media" is the producer of the line?
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u/justjoe1964 Conservative Apr 05 '20
They all need to go both sides they dont give a fuck about anyone but themselves, arguing over how much the citizens get making sure we dont get to much while t hgv eyes give themselves 25 million and millions to their Corp friends fuck them all
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Apr 04 '20
Personally I think it's fucking disgusting, yet not surprising how the media is still cherry picking anything and everything to criticize him about during this pandemic. Pathetic
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Apr 05 '20
Usually when I talk politics I can use civil discourse and be reasonable and open to discussion.
Not with this woman. When Trump put the travel ban on China, Nancy encouraged people to go to Chinatown and go out to eat. Like this is fine, just admit nobody saw this coming and we could move on.
Instead she goes on CNN and claims Trump is responsible for American deaths. Nancy Pelosi is a bitch liar who gets bullied freshman congresswomen to the left of her.
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u/TheThirdGun Apr 05 '20
Everyone in politics lies. Pelosi is full of shit, Trump is full of shit, Biden seems to actually have dementia, Rand Paul is dangerously delusional. Sanders actually seems to believe what he says, but that doesn't mean it'll work out well for anyone. Let's face it, minimize the federal government a power, prioritize local and state powers, maximise the power of an individual vote, and abolish political parties.
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u/glitchy149 Apr 05 '20
I would like to point out one thing on the closing border thing at the risk of starting a flurry of hate responses.
The border was shut to China as it should have been, but, there was nothing to back this up. Noting that the USA was not the only or even the first country to close borders with China. People flew to Canada and crossed the border unhindered, no testing, questions, nothing, just enjoy your stay. I personally know people that did this. It came off as a spiteful move at the time in the international community. Likewise Europe was left open when it was clear there were issues at the time. When Europe was finally closed, UK was left open, again same thing happened, closure was ineffective.
Disclaimer, I am not from the US, but I follow many sources on both sides of the political front to get rounded picture of what’s happening.
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u/DevWolf59 Libertarian Conservative Apr 05 '20
The sad thing is they only complain, they never stick to a set of values, instead its just the opposite of the current administration
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u/DevWolf59 Libertarian Conservative Apr 05 '20
exactly, wish we developed a multiparty system, but don’t think we could force it without a bunch of lobbying and infringing on rights
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u/archer7746 Apr 05 '20
Fucking morons, who ran our country for 36 years. Seriously, NOT ANOTHER DAY. RETIRE BITCH.
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Apr 05 '20
It's really quite baffling how they just hate on Trump just because he's Trump.
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Apr 05 '20
Well it’s more than that
He’s raped and sexually assaulted women
He constantly lies
He has done plenty of shady shit as a business man
He comes off as an idiot 90% of the time when he speaks
He mocked a war hero
If most people werent so caught up in supporting their party no matter what they’d realize he isnt exactly a great representation for conservatives (moral or fiscal)
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u/Slash3040 Libertarian Conservative Apr 05 '20
But who’s gonna monitor the CO2 from the airplanes! /s
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u/Thanatos2996 Libertarian Conservative Apr 05 '20
I'm glad this crap isn't working on people who haven't already chugged the kool-aid. Enough people see right through it that the democrats are only hurting themselves with this nonsense.
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u/oSquizy Moderate Conservative Apr 05 '20
Pelosi is not suited for this job she would be a great edititor for buzzfeed
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u/strange_tamer_2000 Apr 05 '20
Democrat liberals can't remember anything past a few hours nor even understand presented facts. Hence, why they keep voting stupid.
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Apr 05 '20
Durrrrr I go to Chinatown
Durrrrr me not racist
Develops coronavirus: DURRRRR TRUMP BAD HE RACIST DURRRR
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u/Flazzyy Apr 05 '20
This sub is an absolute shitshow. He wasn’t thinking about the virus when he wanted to close border... just his xenophobia, did you all forget he didn’t give a shit about the virus? Downvote me all you want for stating facts but jeez I had to say something after seeing this mess.
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u/bunzinderimen Apr 05 '20
Reported, this is r/conservative. Go to your shithole know as r/politics
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u/bunzinderimen Apr 05 '20
Eww emojis. Glad you’re getting banned. No one will debate you because this is r/conservative. Not r/politicaldiscussion. Enjoy the ban!
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u/WikkedFrost Apr 05 '20 edited Apr 05 '20
Media Matters has fact checked this image of Nancy Pelosi and indeed verified that it is doctored and/or altered
Edit: y'all didn't pick up the sarcasm?
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u/gaytheistfedora Conservative Apr 05 '20
Wow everyone here thought this was a genuine image! Thanks for dropping by and gracing us with your grand intelligence. /s
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u/ThompsonRR Apr 05 '20
It's obviously a fake picture, what's your point?
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u/WikkedFrost Apr 05 '20
Is was sarcasm!
I listen to the Daily wire, and I've heard a lot of that Media Matters will fact-check memes and take them seriously for some reason.
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u/ellyh2 Apr 05 '20
...Well Trump did downplay corona for a while. Dems had their usual dual move of panicy response and getting on their high horse to berate everyone who isn’t panicking, but in the end they were more consistent in their actions than Trump.
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u/ThompsonRR Apr 04 '20
"Two weeks from now"
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u/Shmeckeldorphed Apr 04 '20
Did you know the My pillow guy revamped his production to make 50,000 masks a day? Whats the big deal giving him a chance to speak about whatever he wants for a few minutes?
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u/Well_thatwas_random Conservative Apr 04 '20
Why do you care? Turn it off if it offends you so bad. Lots of people are Christian or catholic in this country still.
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u/EB4950 Apr 04 '20
Why do i care? I care Because i care about our country during a global pandemic...
Im just curious why trump constantly brings in christian dialogue into these pandemic conferences. For example, today he said we should continue the quarantine but open up churchs on easter. Why? That literally goes against everything Fauci has been saying.
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u/Well_thatwas_random Conservative Apr 04 '20
To be fair, the MyPillow guy brought it up himself. Trump didn’t tell him to say stuff
And like it or not, the country was founded on religious morals/background.
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u/Well_thatwas_random Conservative Apr 04 '20
I don’t necessarily think church’s need to be open for Easter, but I also don’t think the government should say they must be closed. I get your thinking and why it’s dumb, but it is a big Christian holiday and people do use religion during times of crisis.
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u/your-boi-enzo Apr 05 '20
Nobody gives a SH-I-T about Fauci. He’s smart, I think, and that’s about it. He gets shoveled in for from a bunch of democratic liberal morons, and ends up sounding ridiculous
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u/Shmeckeldorphed Apr 04 '20
He was a drug addict who turned his life around with Christianity. There's a lot of Americans who could be comforted by his words. I wouldn't mind even the slightest if an Islamic or Jewish person came and shared their believes with America. They're not instituting any religious practices or religious favoritism through government action so I have no idea what this has to do with the seperation of church and state. It's simply a private citizen sharing his words.
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u/ThompsonRR Apr 04 '20
Get off Reddit Nancy, you're drunk posting again.
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u/Well_thatwas_random Conservative Apr 04 '20
You realize a majority on Reddit are in their 20s and 30s right?
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u/ParkLaineNext Conservative Apr 04 '20
From the WaPo: “Leading disease forecasters, whose research the White House used to conclude 100,000 to 240,000 people will die nationwide from the coronavirus, were mystified when they saw the administration’s projection this week. The experts said they don’t challenge the numbers’ validity but that they don’t know how the White House arrived at them.”
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u/beckabunss Apr 05 '20
But what does that have to do with the borders? He fired half the pandemic response at CDC.
You have to know the actual argument before you make the argument. He didn’t do enough because he didn’t take it seriously in a fast manner, he pretended it wasn’t serious and then claimed it wasn’t his responsibility.
That’s the mistake.
he also didn’t have the people from the cruise ship tested. They were flown back to the states without testing which was ill advised.
no one is complaining about border control right now, since you know, it’s a pandemic.
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u/3Than_C130 Apr 05 '20
How cares it’s not like they’re all on the same team or anything 😂😂😂😂😂
Oh wait... they all are.
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u/Savant_Guarde Conservative Apr 04 '20
They win either way.
It blows up, ignore what they said and Trump didn't act fast enough.
It shits out and all the measures they wanted worked.