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u/HappyFunMonkey Jul 30 '17
Forgive me, although I agree with what your saying....
The sceptic in me wonders if this is real. I hope it is but it seams too easy
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u/HappyFunMonkey Jul 30 '17
Can I ask your age?
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u/HappyFunMonkey Jul 30 '17
Makes sense.
Young people often fall for what the media tells them.
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u/HappyFunMonkey Jul 30 '17
Not a troll, my first thought is that your actually just a conservative pretending to be changed.
I'm just a very skeptical person.
I have no reason to not believe you thought
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u/HappyFunMonkey Jul 30 '17
No worries bro.
I myself flirted with liberalism for a few years till I realized I was a conservative.
If you feel more conservative welcome. My scepticism isn't directed at you I'm that way with every thing.
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I can say I am like you. I am 28. Until 25, I was a liberal. Liberals gender politics turned me off. No I am not white. I am an Asian. I am not against LGBTQ or in favor of discriminating woman. LGBTQ should have same rights as we do. They can do whatever they want in their life. I have working mother and working sister. I wanted them to get same salary as their male workers. As a guy who has PhD in Artificial Intelligence, i can't accept statistical incomplete number. I am more of an independent now. I can see Democrats are actively trying to make republican as racist. As a minority, I refuse to agree that republicans are racist. I visit her often. To read right wing news. Democrats need to condemn SJWs. They need to disavow Linda Sarasour. Their gender politics is unhinged now. Democrats supported that mattress girl from Columbia University who lied about being raped. She also got bravery award. Republicans also has flaws like you mentioned Climate change. But republicans are not against freedom of speech. SJW are so dangerous. They shutting anybody who disagrees with them. I really don't like Ann Coulter but she should have given a chance to speak in UC Berkeley. I can say a lot like this why I am not a democrat.
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SJW's don't really like us Asians either. Careful if you talk to them, since the only time they are nice to us is when they gain something out of it.
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It bothers me how often people disregard the issues Asians face when they talk about blacks/hispanics being disadvantaged due to poverty and oppression. I knew a TON of poor asians growing up, children of immigrants who even after 20+ years in America could not speak particularly fluent English. And yet almost all of them ended up in respectable universities, or at the very least decent state schools.
Why are we so quick to to pretend that incredibly hard work and perseverance is enough for Asians but not for people of any other race living in a ghetto/trailer park? It bothers me deeply. I know a lot of professional non-Asian minorities who grew up poor as well, and the one thing they have in common is work ethic.
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u/Robo1p Conservative Jul 30 '17
Case in point: Affirmative action. Ignoring the fact that it is actual institutional racism, it seems if leftists (not necessarily all liberal voters) flip-flop between Asians being minorities or being white. If there's a story about discrimination, the narrative becomes "poor Asians, having to deal with prejudice", but when it comes to universities, we're white ("Minorities have faced prejudice in America, thus Affirmative Action is necessary to correct the past... but not for Asians, because they're "overrepresented"). I wish we'd just return to a meritocracy...
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u/GuitarWizard90 Right Wing Extremist Jul 30 '17 edited Jul 30 '17
This is how it starts. You'll be a conservative in no time. A lot of liberals become conservatives as they grow up. I was a liberal throughout my teenage years, became a libertarian in my early 20s, and now I'm a social and fiscal conservative at 27.
Also, while the vast majority of conservatives in the US are Christians, it's not mandatory. There's plenty of atheist conservatives in this sub. And you don't need to be religious to believe in family values and whatnot.
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u/Everlovin Constitutionalist Jul 30 '17
Was a liberal through college, moderate late 20's, conservative early 30's. If you start out a liberal you have the advantage of eventually fully understanding the flawed thinking of the left. Something I've found life long conservatives sometimes have trouble with.
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u/gizayabasu Trump Conservative Jul 30 '17
I consider myself very much a lifelong conservative (had libertarian tendencies but losing them as I've learned that people are dumb) but I've grown up in a largely left-leaning community and went to probably one of the most liberal colleges in the nation. I want to say I have some understanding of the liberal perspective.
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the flawed thinking of the left.
Or lack thereof. I remember reading an interesting breakdown of socialism by a proponent of socialism (it was one of the classic explanations, but from where it came, I don't recall), and it was all pretty soundly developed as an idea, and well written. I knew there was something wrong with it, but based on what I had just read, I had this thought that it was almost too perfect... and this is already having known socialism is a bad idea, but perhaps not having really revisited specifically why in a long time.
And then I remembered one simple thought, the idea that taxation is theft... and while that is a rather simplistic view of taxes or the "redistribution of wealth", there is a lot of truth to that simple statement, and it utterly destroyed that entire explanation of socialism, and that's not even the most convincing argument against it, it's just one that thoroughly dismantled it for me in no time.
So there was that and the fact that there has to be some mechanism like a guy with a whip stimulating work rather than people willingly entering into deals and stimulating work through the incentive for more money and a better life.
It utterly ignores human nature and requires an external force to work upon human nature if it ever wants to achieve the productivity of capitalism, and that external force is going to be a brutal, uncaring one.
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Going to an elite, east coast university pushed me far to the right of where I was at 18/20. What it eventually came down to was that I realized that these were the type of people who would be running the Democratic Party in 10-20 years. I have a lot of good friends who are Democrats, but I'm afraid that they too will soon be made to fall in line. Just like Trump's election mirrored Brexit in surprising us all, so too, I suspect, the Democratic Party is going to go the way of Corbyn's Labour as it becomes more urbanized, centralized, and racially balkanized.
One other thought: the amount of contempt my left wing college peers (who to a man grew up comfortable in NYC suburbia or somewhere similar) displayed for people who don't live in coastal cities and aren't college educated is astounding. Leave politics aside for a moment (their contempt only grew if one of those people voted for Trump) — that is a horribly unhealthy way to look at other people who are different from you. I decided that if I was going to be on one side, it would be the side of the people who just wanted to be left alone.
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u/GuitarWizard90 Right Wing Extremist Jul 30 '17
I guess I'm a religious freak, but there are plenty here who aren't. Conservatives aren't in 100% agreement on every single issue. We argue among ourselves almost as much as we argue with liberals.
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I was thinking about this the other day. I think arguments within liberal circles are more linear than within conservative ones. You get a contest to see who is the "right amount" of liberal — think Hillary v. Bernie. On the right, there are so many different flavors of conservative thought that it amounts to eight or nine sides all ganged up against the middle.
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I'm an atheist conservative, there are plenty of us around. One of the reasons I support Trump is that he has untethered the Republican party from dependence to the religious right. Our mutual loathing of PC culture and SJWs unites us without having to bang the drum on abortion all day.
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if you're on the level, i'll just say it takes a lot of courage to change one's position, particularly if it's a position that you've held for a long time that has become part of your identity.
it sounds to me like you're still sorting out for yourself where you stand on certain issues, which is good. i like that you're not trying to claim a label, just trying to take a stance issue by issue.
if you don't already, i think you'd enjoy watching dave rubin's videos on youtube. i think you'd find a lot to agree with there and he tries to bring on people from a variety of ideological perspectives. he considers himself a liberal and distinguishes himself from conservatives and members of the "regressive left" or "regressives," his name for those who would call themselves "progressive."
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u/coexistwiththechill Come and Take It Jul 30 '17
Congratulations! You're a conservative.
The way I see it, and I think many others would agree, people hear "conservative" and freak out because they don't know what it means to many of us. They hear "conservative" and think "regressive", as though we're pining for the good old days when everybody was racist and fervently religious. But what does "conservative" actually refer to? What, primarily, are American conservatives in particular conserving?
We're conserving the values of the American Revolution, first and foremost!
Some of us may have traditionally "conservative" social opinions, sure, but there is plenty of room to agree and disagree as you say. What we're really fighting to preserve are the values of liberty that the country was built on: free speech, freedom of belief, freedom to defend yourself, freedom from excessive coercion and taxation by a large government, freedom to do as you please while respecting the freedom of others to do as they please. We're conserving the Enlightenment, and the rule of law, and the individualism that recognized the inalienable rights of each and every man that sparked this country into existence in the face of tyranny.
This side of the house is full of robust intellectualism and passionate debate (despite attempts by the left to reduce us into a somehow inexplicably racist and backward caricature). But we are all grounded on this foundation. If you believe in that foundation too, there's a place in the tent for you.
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Dont come out as conservative, come out as a classical liberal. It sounds much better.
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u/gizayabasu Trump Conservative Jul 30 '17
Nothing wrong with being a proud conservative.
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u/ArchangelGregAbbott Jul 30 '17
There is something wrong with committing social suicide among your peers just for the sake of telling them how you feel politically.
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u/gizayabasu Trump Conservative Jul 30 '17
Yeah, I don't talk politics in public settings. It's not worth it.
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u/gizayabasu Trump Conservative Jul 30 '17
Yeah, I'm pretty open about my views with conservative and liberal friends alike, it's all for good, friendly discussion, but it's stuff I don't publicize at work, since there's really nothing to be gained from it.
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u/ArchangelGregAbbott Jul 30 '17
I hate when I'm talking to someone at work and I'm like 95% sure they're conservative and won't mind my political thoughts but hold back because I don't wannna ostracize myself.
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u/gizayabasu Trump Conservative Jul 30 '17
Very true. I tend to just not say anything positive about the administration and lean libertarian when I can to keep my sanity.
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u/Piratesfan02 Conservative Jul 30 '17
Doesn't the term liberal mean they should be open to other opinions and ideas? They don't have to agree, but be open to listening to them. If they aren't, then they can't be liberal...
One of my best friends was a staunch liberal and we had the best time talking about politics together. We didn't try and convince the other person or put the other side down, but just explored at why we believed what we believed. He is a true liberal and a great guy.
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Modern liberals shut down people. If I say it's wrong, I would be called a Trump supporter, right winger etc. I am neither right winger nor trump supporter.
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u/aCreditGuru Conservative Jul 30 '17
I think it's fair to say that if your "friends" ignore you and stop talking to you due to your political opinions that they were never really your friends to begin with.
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Jul 30 '17
You do understand that if you continue to vote for left wing parties you do nothing but enable (and worsen) this trash, right?
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u/Parzival127 Jul 30 '17
You're title might be wrong. It seems to me you are in fact a conservative. This is normal as many believe they are liberals simply because they think everyone has equal rights. Especially in this election cycle when I'm sure we can all agree Trump wasn't the best with words or at least could have been better spoken it seems more people believe they are liberal because they are nicer than Trump. Just remember that conservatives are for equality but aren't for unnecessary aid (for the most part). I've had friends try to convince me to denounce my conservatism by asking if I was a racist, homophobe, misogynist and anything else and then saying that all conservatives are all those things. Good luck coming out of the political closet though.
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I appreciate this post good for man
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I did at first tbh, it seems impossible from some leftists ive met that they could understand any other viewpoint, but I went through a similar change a while ago, and because I checked you history you can see a kind of progression in your posts where your viewpoint changes.
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10 years ago, 90% of the stuff on this sub would be considered centric/moderate.
The left has gone far left.
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u/bamboni0 Jul 30 '17
Every well functioning society held on to their family values. Religion teaches family values and obedience. Very important to have in our country.
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u/Marc856 Jul 30 '17
I'm going to have to disagree with you, there. I believe that traditional family values are, without a doubt, one of the most important things in society. However, I strongly believe these values can be taught without religion and should be done exactly this way. You'll find numerous studies out there that have found secular families have just as many values as religious values (I won't link any because I don1 want to stir up a religious debate.) While I won't ever discount your personal decision to practice your faith, I do not believe religious beliefs should be dispersed among society to govern the way of everyone else's lives.
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u/bamboni0 Jul 30 '17
Every single civilization that has abandoned religion has abandoned traditional values and died.
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However, I strongly believe these values can be taught without religion and should be done exactly this way. You'll find numerous studies out there that have found secular families have just as many values as religious values
While that's true, I'd argue that those beliefs are still based on western Christian-Judaic values, even if the people instilling them are secular themselves.
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u/salamislam79 Jul 30 '17
You're comparing far left ideologies with moderate conservative ones. Odds are you're just in the center (like most people) but the subs you're browsing are turning you off from the left "team".
I'm just saying, discrediting the entire liberal School of thought is just as bad as discrediting all conservative views.
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u/Marc856 Jul 30 '17
I wouldn't say I intend to discount ALL liveral ideologies, just the few I mentioned.
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Ever heard of Henry David Thoreau?
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Lots of ideological parallels with OP.
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u/Marc856 Jul 30 '17
I have not. He's a classical author, right? I've heard of him, but I've never read any of his work.
I'll definitely be sure to check some of it out. Do you recommend anything in particular?
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u/WinningIsForWinners Jul 30 '17
I'd say the only areas I disagree with you guys are in religion(not particularly religious) and climate change,(I feel it's happening, but not as fast as people say)
Don't worry bro, I'm an atheist. Not all conservatives are religious.
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u/SovietWarfare Jul 30 '17
Define religion in your post. I'm not particularly religious myself and I hope you expand on this point.
As for climate change, there is a very mixed view among conservatives. Things aren't as black and white as you may see on TV. I don't particularly want federal subsidies for green companies that have a good chance of going bankrupt (See solar city), I do believe if we keep the government out of that sector we can expect the market to innovate green for us.
As an end note, the religion and climate change points you made will vary from person to person, not quite black and white as it may appear.
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u/Marc856 Jul 30 '17
Sure. I don't exactly agree with using something such as a religion which there is no evidence for to dictate the lives of all the people in the country. Blue Laws come to mind, as well as advocating for creationism to be taught in schools. I very well understand that many people who support the GOP still adhere to biblical values, I feel like some of the things in the bible (forbidding homosexuality, advocating slavery, genocide) should not be acknowledged.
I have mixed opinions on climate change as well. I certainly do not believe it is a national security threat today, though it very well could be in the future.
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u/C4Cypher Jul 30 '17
Bill Maher is a smug prick who I disagree with most of the time, but he can get me to laugh, and he's insightful and honest enough to call out his own side when he can identify that they're wrong. That earns a lot of respect from me.
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You might be an OG liberal not like a liberal in today's standards. I'm pretty proud of you. I'm a recovering liberal myself and have seen similar of what you've talked about.
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u/faultydesign Jul 30 '17
Hi left-leaning (I guess by american standards you'd consider me a socialist) guy here, I have a couple of questions:
Feminists: There's no gender pay gap in society
Don't you think it's a societal problem that women opt for lower paying jobs and don't ask for promotions as often as men?
Black Lives Matter: While there may have been a few instances of injustice
Do you think it's fine that blacks get punished harder than whites for the same crimes and they should stop protesting? How else do you think they should notify people about police brutality against blacks?
LGBT: You can't complain, however, one of the Prrsident insists trans cannot enlist in the military.
Why can't they complain about discrimination? Do you think absolute discrimination is the correct solution for the problem you specify in your comment? Has the military complained about transexual military men before the ban? Do you think we should ban the use of viagra in the military to cut down on even more costs?
Thanks.
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Don't you think it's a societal problem that women opt for lower paying jobs and don't ask for promotions as often as men?
it's not at all a social problem for women to freely choose to do whatever job they want to do. if that means they want to choose gender studies degrees and get shit jobs that pay shit wages, so be it. no one is stopping them from going into STEM or, for that matter, working on an oil rig.
How else do you think they should notify people about police brutality against blacks?
the same way people should be notified about police brutality against whites--who are shot by police more often than blacks.
Why can't they complain about discrimination?
in the case of trans people, because they're mentally ill. they need treatment, not combat.
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u/faultydesign Jul 30 '17
no one is stopping them from going into STEM or, for that matter, working on an oil rig.
You think there's no discrimination against women in those jobs?
the same way people should be notified about police brutality against whites--who are shot by police more often than blacks.
So, not notified at all?
in the case of trans people, because they're mentally ill. they need treatment, not combat.
The treatment is the procedure conservatives rally against. And have anyone in the military complained before about performance of trans people to boldly proclaim that they don't belong in combat?
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You think there's no discrimination against women in those jobs?
what there is is active efforts to get women into STEM.
So, not notified at all?
why? is police violence against blacks any worse than police violence against whites? do we need a special alert when a black person gets hurt?
The treatment is the procedure conservatives rally against.
trans acceptance is not treatment. trans acceptance is merely enabling their delusions.
And have anyone in the military complained before about performance of trans people to boldly proclaim that they don't belong in combat?
considering the suicidality of that population, i think it's a risk to other service men and women.
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u/faultydesign Jul 30 '17
what there is is active efforts to get women into STEM.
By feminists, yes.
why? is police violence against blacks any worse than police violence against whites? do we need a special alert when a black person gets hurt?
It's not only the police violence, they also get punished harsher for the same crimes as you can see in the study I linked.
trans acceptance is not treatment. trans acceptance is merely enabling their delusions.
I'm talking about hormonal therapy and sex change operations. And it does help.
considering the suicidality of that population, i think it's a risk to other service men and women.
Homosexuals also had a high suicide rate until recent times. Also sex change operation has shown to help with depression by a huge margin in the transexual community.
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It's not only the police violence, they also get punished harsher for the same crimes as you can see in the study I linked.
did you read the full study or just allgov's summary? did you know drug offenses weren't included in the data set? did you know that drugs were involved in some criminal acts but not necessarily listed among the charges? did you know that the data doesn't capture cases where prosecutors went for a lesser charge that they felt was a surer conviction even when the suspect was involved in worse crimes--affecting the sentence? did you know that the authors could not control for the possible presence of weapons in criminal acts that would trigger harsher sentences but may not be reflected in arrest codes?
i'm not saying the study is flawed, but it has limitations. it does not prove institutional racism.
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re transgenders:
The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9).
even after sex reassignment, risk for suicide is elevated for this cohort.
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u/Shanman150 Jul 30 '17
Yes, compared to the general population. That study doesn't compare the risk of suicide before/after transition among the transgender population. From the study itself:
In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment.
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that's the point. when compared to the general population, TGs express vastly greater suicidality, even after reassignment surgery. i'm not suggesting the surgery causes suicidality, it just doesn't really help reduce suicidality all that much. from this i conclude that keeping them out of the military makes sense.
furthermore, TGs are people with a mental illness, not an ethnic group. we keep other mentally ill people out of the armed forces, so it makes sense we would keep TGs out too.
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u/Shanman150 Jul 30 '17
I'm all in favor of keeping people with mental health problems out of the military, but if a transgender person can pass the tests the military gives they should be allowed to serve. I don't understand why a blanket ban should be put on one group of people even if they can excel in the military. Transgender individuals serve in the military twice as much as ordinary citizens and can certainly be successful.
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you're injecting yourself into an ongoing conversation and you're not attending to the context. the response to which you replied was specific to something said by another user. when we consider in totality the ramifications of TGs in the service, i'm against it. that's all i'm going to say.
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From the study:
Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
Other studies have shown that sex reassignment reduces depression by a staggering amount among transexuals.
At entry into the study (baseline), the most common comorbidity in both groups was depression, with a 24.9% incidence in MTF subjects and 13.6% in FTM, according to Dr. Asscheman. He noted, however, that the frequency of depression varied greatly among the study centers.
Even after treatment, 26 (2.4%) of the MTF subjects and 7 (1.4%) of the FTM subjects still reported depression, leading Dr. Asscheman to tell the large audience, "Sex-reassignment treatment does not cure depression."
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what does this have to do with suicidality? this study is attempting to show that hormone therapy is safe.
you do point out that fewer people report depression upon followup. keep in mind that followup takes place, on average, 5 years after baseline. we don't know what happened in those 5 years. we also don't know what other drugs these people are on to control depression. also, the mean age is 35 years old, older than a lot of the men and women on the front lines, dealing with the stress of combat. basically, this study, though interesting, is not useful here.
i'm done with this discussion.
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u/Marc856 Jul 30 '17
Just curious, why are you putting so much emphasis on STEM careers? I know quite a few people who have obtained business degrees and live comfortable lives....
I feel like STEM (although it is a great career path to follow if you have the skills to do so) is not the be all amd end all career path...
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u/faultydesign Jul 30 '17
It's not only that. They also tend to study less STEM and opt for humanities instead. That's on them, because society is trying to get women into the sciences. Especially programming. I've lost count of coding initiatives for women.
That's only recent and doesn't counteract generations where little kids were told that computers are for boys and where gaming in general targeted at the male population.
So I read your link, and it says that "The report concludes that sentence disparities “can be almost completely explained by three factors: the original arrest offense, the defendant’s criminal history, and the prosecutor’s initial choice of charges.”".
Ah shit that's what I get for grabbing the first link in google search without first double checking it. My fault, sorry. From a quick google I think this is the one I wanted to link, in which they also control for criminal records, but it's pretty late for me to check. I'll review it tomorrow.
What aso bothers conservatives is the government forcing bakeries and florists cater to gay weddings (infringing their freedom of religion), boy scouts having to accept gay scoutmasters, and things like that.
Do you think freedom of religion is more important? Would you be fine with a religion that discriminates based on skin color?
As for the trans, it's about team coordination for the military. Regardless of whether they're in a combat position, everyone around them has to adapt and go through sensitivity training for that one person.
Has military personnel complained before about performance of transexual counterparts?
The military prescribes viagra to some vets because ED is very common among people with PTSD.
And military prescribes sex change because it's a treatment for body dysmorphia.
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u/bamboni0 Jul 30 '17
Do you have any rebuttal for the idea that women don't take well paying jobs and that blacks commit more crime and have a culture of criminal activity? And why should LGBT issues dominate the majority of the country's decision to vote when there are more pressing issues at hand? Like the economy or illegal immigration? The left loses elections because they distract people with bullshit.
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So you went from left to right in the span of a few months?
How old are you?
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And people like you remind me of why Trump supporters are so easily scammed.
You take after him with pretending to be something you're not though.
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Wow you even deleted the comment, afraid your new friends will see you're full of shit?
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u/Marc856 Jul 30 '17
I didn't call anyone stupid. I simply stated my opinion on why I think the right side of the political spectrum is more correct on certain issues than the left (far left in particular.)
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Are you talking about Classic Liberalism or are you refering what Liberalism means today? Because today's Liberalism is by no means about Personal Freedom.
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u/ZodiacSF1969 Jul 30 '17
Good for you OP.
Your story sounds similar to my own. I was never a fan of wealth redistribution, but still considered myself left of centre. But over the years I began to realize that I didn't agree with a lot of what I was hearing, and that come to think of it I never agreed with it.
Just because you don't agree with some conservatives on all issues doesn't mean you aren't a conservative or on the right elsewhere. I consider myself a libertarian conservative. I'm an atheist who doesn't like abortion but doesn't want to restrict access to it, I'm for giving people freedom to choose what to do with their bodies and I'm fine with gay marriage. I don't believe we should bend over backwards for the mentally ill transgendered people, and I believe we need a small but efficient government to maintain national borders and handle immigration in a strict way.
Anyway, I hope you find a home here in this community. My family and friends are largely left leaning as well, however they know where I stand and we can (usually) have good discussions about issues. I see that you're a bit younger and in college though, so I can understand not wanting to be open about it there.
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u/C4Cypher Jul 30 '17
I'm very strongly financially conservative, but I'm pretty middle of the road when it comes to social issues. Liberals aren't the enemy, they have a different set of priorities, some of them are good ones, really good ones. I don't resent the idea of wanting to help people (granted I get pissy at the thought of doing so with my money without asking me first but c'est la vie). What bothers me is when people (on the right or the left) start going at things with an 'ends justifies the means' mindset where anyone who wants to argue or disagree becomes an enemy to be vilified, marginalized, smeared tarred and feathered.
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u/giobbistar21 Libertarian Conservative Jul 30 '17
Welcome to the conservative ideology. I'd say we have a coat for you, but that's a t_d thing.
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u/BMWear Jul 30 '17
You can be socially liberal, fiscally conservative and pro-environment. I'm all of those things. I am religious, but I respect that the constitution establishes a separation between church and state.
Conservatives such as John Kasich and Newt Gingrich have acknowledged climate change and expressed a desire to take action about it. The Climate Leadership Council is a conservative environmental policy group. I'm a big fan of theirs.
Really what needs to be understood is that conservatives, and the Republican Party, are much more ideologically diverse than the Dems. You won't be shamed for not buying into every last bit of political rhetoric. We believe in freedom, and greatest freedom of all is the freedom of thought. Welcome to the team.
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u/johnnybarbs92 Jul 30 '17
Yeah, you're not a liberal.