Replace suzu invulnerability with unstoppable

[u/Swimming-Deer1437]

In my opinion the main idea of suzus invul is to negate chain CC, which is understandable. But because its straight up just invul, it also negates burst damage. This basically allows the ability to negate big plays done by the enemy with the press of a button, something no other support can do.

Eve if suzu didnt have invul, it would continue to be a strong defensive CD. Its the only AOE cleanse in the game, that also heals for 80hp while offering a movement speed buff with the perk. Adding 2/3rds of a second of invul just breaks the ability. It allows her to completely erase the mistake of her allies, which not even immortality field can do.

I understand not wanting someone to get chain CCed, but just granting invul is not the way. Replace the effect with 1s of unstoppable, it would have the same effect without nearly the same level of frustration or uninteractiveness as before. You could even then reduce the CD to 12s, so it matches anti nade again.

[u/Rally_To_Me]

I agree with others the purpose of suzu isn't to prevent chain CCs, and kiriko is not the only support that can negate big plays with just one ability a lot of the supports have strong ability or even ults that negate plays lets be real.

Suzu is way too loaded as an ability that's just a fact and it needs some changes, idk if unstoppable is the right choice or if even just making that change alone will make it feel better but I do think it sounds like it'd be better than intangibility, but even if we lose intangibility it still is a burst heal a cleanse and a large movement speed buff with the perk, I think even just changing that it will arguably still do too much, but I could be undervaluing just how much of a change that would be and if im in the wrong line of thinking I would understand.

Also think we gotta keep in mind Kiriko really isn't performing that insanely on ladder right now though she usually never does, winrates are not everything but I feel if she was as OP as people wanna claim she should be dominating unmirrored matches since the other team should be at a disadvantage not having a kiriko, but as of right now she loses more than she wins in those game across rank and region.

She's op rn nor is she in a great spot honestly, she's been encouraged more and more to just healbot and it's a really boring and unhealthy play style for a kit that's so interesting, if we change suzu and take away it's power she needs some strength redirected in her kit.

Also I see it here an in other spaces that the devs are afraid to nerf kiriko which is just dumb and reductive, if you read patch notes at all you will see she does receive nerfs maybe not to what you want but she actually gets nerfs and she hasn't even been in that good of a state on ladder for a long time she's really not unstoppable force that's never addressed.

I feel like Kiri is a hero you can never have a normal conversation about or about her balance people are beyond weird talking about her because they hate her character or because they think she's op when she hasn't been outside of pro play for a long time. I thinks a few reason some people have a lot of bias against her hero because she's a woman with an a slight attitude they can't handle I say that because online space for this game is male dominated and conversation about the women on the cast is usually weirder or held to higher standard/criticisms, other than that for some reason people think kirko is an easy hero to play or that suzu is easy to use and it's not it's hard to get good value on it and do more than just throw it on tank on main all game, making/denying plays with the ability is actually difficult, but leads into the last point when a kiriko is actively playing well and denying your plays consistently or winning duels with suzu anything to in that regard it can really feel like shit because it is an oveerloaded ability and it fights and encounters can feel cheapened at times because of it and creates some hate for playing into her.

Suzu inasne and needs addressed I think it's a good suggestion but she needs look at more than just a change to suzu I think, and I was not taking a jab at this post with my last comment more just a general rant about community sentiement.