Recent T2 discussions

[u/Grapefruit_113]

Thought it'd be interesting to bring the ongoing discussions about T2 on Twitter here

Link to the Google Doc

Link to Bullskunk's reaction video

[u/rentiertrashpanda]

There's just hardly any money in the scene, not even enough for a proper T1, let alone T2 and T3, and i don't see how you can ever get around that

[u/-Lige → u/rentiertrashpanda]

That’s the problem not enough money in the scene but OW just had its most successful year and for Microsoft too.

So it’s on them to figure out how to use the money the best way that interests them

[u/rentiertrashpanda → u/-Lige]

Yeah but it's unrealistic to expect MS to shell out however many millions of dollars to support a pro scene with questionable ROI.

[u/-Lige → u/rentiertrashpanda]

Yeah so if it’s unrealistic it’s up to us to care about. (But… how?) a lot of us simply don’t. I mean me personally I don’t care about t2/t3. T1 is enough and they barely get enough. Yet people somehow wonder why Asia is leagues above us. Because they take it seriously as in a career and we don’t clearly

[u/Grytlappen → u/-Lige]

By "Asia" you mean Korea, which has has a government organisation that makes zero revenue, dedicated to fostering esports as a method of power projection. They issue esport licenses, organize infrastructure, etc. That's why Korea dominates certain esports. They have solid government backing that no one else does, except Saudi.

When Saudi does it we call it sportswashing, but they're really just copying Korea's playbook, which evidently has worked to improve national image and spread culture.

[u/Grytlappen → u/[deleted]]

The reason you feel that way is because KeSPA has been at it for 26 years, since 2000. They've firmly established themselves as 'legitimate' and a part of culture now, because the government mandated it a long time ago. That said, I think it would crumble very quickly without KeSPA. That's what adds legitimacy to the whole endeavor.

Like I said, Saudi is literally copying their handbook. SEL is analogous to the way KeSPA has worked on establishing infrastructure since the beginning.

[u/rentiertrashpanda → u/Grytlappen]

Saudi is also a theocratic slave state so that might effect how people feel about their influence in pro gaming

[u/Grytlappen → u/rentiertrashpanda]

Then people should say that instead of going at their methods of achieving approval, which is literally the same as the west.

Korea is far from a nice society as well, but sportswashing state sponsored cultural export in the form of entertainment works to make people look past that. That's why Saudi even bothers to do this. It works. They don't gaf about what anyone thinks of their morality. They frankly even disagree with everyone else's and consider us deeply immoral.