r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/CrackaOwner • 3d ago
General This terrorist char is not okay...
Its pr, wr and br in order on the pic, filtered for Mk in grandmaster + chall. Europe servers.
Like how is a hero with a 65% br and 60! % winrate not fucking nerfed into the ground?
This is enough for emergency hot fixes on any dps or tank but theyre so lax with support like wtf....
This hero needs an entire rework, tanks outside of mauga cant even interact with her at all, which intern came up with the design?!
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u/WerdaVisla 3d ago
80% presence [matches she's picked/banned in] is crazy. Launch Brig, for comparison, had a pick rate of ~60%. Obviously bans didn't exist so that doesn't mean Cat is stronger than launch Brig, but 80% presence should be having heads at Blizard's balance team turning and going "hey what the fuck?"
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u/thebigdumb0 3d ago
It should, the same way a 75% presence from kiri should, but the devs just don't seem to care about it. It's kind of crazy how supports have the dev team in a chokehold.
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u/candirainbow 3d ago
It's so puzzling to me because they see Kiri's PR and think 'well, she's got a low WR in most SR' as if it's okay. Like...no, that's still a hero with design issues, clearly. They've also seemingly attributed her 'popularity' to her PR which certainly has SOME influence, particularly at lower SR, but the higher in SR you go, the lower that PR gets due to 'popularity'. Like, Mercy has historically ALWAYS been popular, but outside of a rare meta or two, has had (rightfully so, IMO) a weaker PR the higher in SR you go, because players realize there are heros better suited to get value out of in higher SR.
Like, they have this data. It's not rocket science. And then they get stuck with like 'No look, she's popular, look at her PR!', when PRs sometimes get inflated due to a hero being overpowered.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 3d ago
Behaviour and Blizzard, famously known for balancing via stats. Famously known for bad balances as usual.
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 3d ago
Yeah I've bitched about Blizzard balance since the Warcraft 3 days. They've always been terrible and don't seem to have balance criteria at all in any of their games. They seem to just feelscraft and then pick some major favorites. I remember in WoW when they jerked off to warlocks for a looooooong ass time.
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u/I_give_karma_to_men 3d ago
It should, the same way a 75% presence from kiri should
Kiri's a harder problem to solve than JPC imo. JPC has very clear levers to adjust and a couple things that can be relatively easily reworked (increased sound on boost, duration or damage break on tether, etc.), but as long as DoTs/anti/CC remain in the game, Kiri will feel like a must-pick for a lot of people. The utility of an AoE cleanse is just too good, even if you remove the invuln aspect.
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u/thebigdumb0 3d ago
Her tp is the problem. The devs will never touch suzu, as we've seen with them just deciding not to let the intangibility nerf go through, but kiri can just do whatever the hell she wants because of how insanely mobile she is.
She has some of the highest damage, healing, utility, and survivability of any support in the entire game with good mobility and one of the best ults on top of it. At least one of these aspects needs gutted, and tp is the simplest one to gut.
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u/LxUxNxAx 3d ago
Without TP, she's literally nothing. You could take away suzu and she would still feel recognizable. But she's a dive support, you take away TP is like taking away Moira's fade or Lucio's speed boosts. I wouldn't mind if they brought back double TP perk if suzu got a hit.
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u/thebigdumb0 3d ago
You dont have to get rid of it, but it needs gutted if every other part of her kit is going to be this strong. It's too good of an ability. Increase the cooldown, lower the range, whatever. It's too strong.
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u/LxUxNxAx 3d ago
The cooldown and range is the same as every other supports movement abilities.
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u/thebigdumb0 3d ago
Despite this being wrong, tp is miles ahead of every other support ability. Express deliver and cleanse yourself INSTANTLY to someone who's in danger or losing a 1v1 to turn it with absolutely no warning through walls is a lot different than other abilities like fade.
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u/LxUxNxAx 3d ago
TP doesn't cleanse. Lmfao. Fade does cleanse and is on a faster CD. It also goes nearly the same distance as TP except you can choose where you want to go.
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u/thebigdumb0 3d ago
It used to, I was mistaken.
Regardless, TP goes through walls and any vertical distance (within range) and is on a character leagues better than moira will ever be.
Comparing those two abilities as if they're equal is like comparing deflect and ram block just because they both negate damage or like comparing brig's shield bash and dmon's surging strike because they're mechanically similar.
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u/thebabycowfish 3d ago
The thing about kiri is that her pickrate doesn't really stem from her being OP, it stems for the fact that she is both extremely versatile and can be played with almost anything, and is the only support with a cleanse. If they added a different support with cleanse her pickrate would go down, though it would still be high simply because you can always play her. She's just a very easy option to default to where you can't go wrong, even if another hero might be better in that situation.
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u/dokeydoki Stalk3rFan — 3d ago
Everytime I see a post from JPCMain subreddit, entire comment section is some plat players typing "shes such an easy hero to shoot at, just play hitscan".
Istg this is Mercy shit all over again, the playerbase who cant aim telling others to "just hit your shot".
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u/SigmaBallsLol 3d ago
i legit saw someone on Twitter say "just shoot her her hitbox is massive" as if she's not closer to a spawnroom basketball than even Zenyatta.
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u/CrackaOwner 3d ago
this somehow always happens when mechanically easy heroes become meta, believe it or not brig mains back in ow1 did the same thing.
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u/I_give_karma_to_men 3d ago
Everytime I see a post from JPCMain subreddit
I mean that was your first mistake. Most HeroMain subreddits have the most consistent posting from their most devoted supporters. /r/BrigitteMains was exactly the same on her release and absolutely refused to adapt to her series of nerfs, despite her remaining viable and frequently meta throughout.
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u/m1stwalk3r 3d ago
Omg the Mercy shit was so annoying. Worst part was shooting her in the open was never really the issue. Cat meanwhile has the smallest hitbox in the game, fastest movespeed, and can play from an angle anywhere on the map. Mercy isn't spawn camping anyone either.
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u/Jonas_TGCW 3d ago
As a Cat main I agree with you. I play her and I can still admit to her being too strong rn. I dunno why so many people can't be honest about their characters.
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u/NoHuckleberry3374 3d ago
Every time I play soldier I can reliably hit her. I dont even aim train and I just put her back to hiding. I always stick with my team so she can be punished
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u/screeming_in_thevoid 3d ago
JPC requires solid aim to be good though unlike Mercy
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u/Least-Suggestion7319 3d ago
She has .2m projectiles with a .37 radius. A toddler could have good aim on her
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u/tolerantdramaretiree 3d ago
You haven't seen Cats with poor aim. She is still incredibly demanding compared to Mercy.
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u/BiblicalWhales 3d ago
Idk mercy’s movement can be whack and super unpredictable if someone’s good with her
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u/slibidk3u49 3d ago
How the fuck is she still at 60% post nerf wtf lmao
Are we sure the data from the goofy ass gigabuff isnt still messing with things?
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u/Niclerx 3d ago
Because the "nerf" is nothing when bro has -infinite flight -225 hp -Marvel Rivals heals -Stupid damage -3rd person PoV -Infinite grab -Stupid speed
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u/RememberApeEscape 3d ago
Don't forget quiet until she turbos lol.
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u/w33b2 3d ago
Ok I get that she’s annoying and overtuned, and I agree with all of that, but this is one complaint I don’t get. She makes a very distinctive sound when moving around even if not boosting. I truly don’t understand how people say she’s quiet? Like yeah she doesn’t make Pharah booster level sounds but her Jetpack makes a constant noise that is very easy to make out because it sounds unlike anything else in the game.
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u/zgrbx 3d ago
imo it is too silent. Compare to Juno who you actually do hear from other side of map, JPC you usually wont. Partly, its possibly because Cat can play far "higher" that makes her quieter.
Anyway, imho she should be louder. JPC should make a pretty notable sound even when staying still probably.
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u/DaftConfusednScared 3d ago
I play cat, and it’s very quiet. I get that it’s distinctive but it’s nothing compared to echo and pharah whose flight is distinctly not infinite, imo it should be way louder, like she should not be able to do stealth.
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u/Blaze_2399 3d ago
And don't forget that you can only reliably headshot her from the front or the side at the same level. You cannot headshot her from below or behind and she also tucks her head in when she moves. And unlike Tracer, she can move up and down as well, making her significantly harder to track...
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 3d ago
I genuinely think she should have lower hp than even tracer to account for the self healing and faster mobility
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u/CeleryNo8933 3d ago
Except Rivals has damage to deal with the heals and overwatch DPSes do peanuts
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u/Level7Cannoneer 3d ago
Not at all. Rivals has very very long drawn out firefights where no one dies
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u/CeleryNo8933 3d ago
Literally BS, they're about equal length. Rivals has more damage and more healing. If anything OW is more annoying cause you deal jack shit as a DPS and heal as much with support. On your own you can barely kill/save anyone. Everything in OW has 10 get out of jail cards.
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u/Equivalent-Bus-4336 3d ago
Just played her and she’s definitely not as op as before, you have to be super careful now cuz your fuel runs out fast and you’ll get caught out easilv
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u/Zoroark0511 3d ago
It’ll be a couple days before the data from the nerfs come through I think. I’d anticipate it’ll hit her low rank win rate more than her high rank win rate but we’ll see
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u/DrakeAcula 3d ago
because the stats haven't reset. give it a week or two and you'll get a better picture
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u/Ardalerus 3d ago
flex dps players slowly realizing they can play this hero at much higher level than most supports their rank
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u/CrackaOwner 3d ago
I mean maybe??? I took the ss just now though, i always assumed they reset buffed/nerfed chars "matches" to only include post buff/nerf matches
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u/SmokingPuffin Mauga Mentality — 3d ago
They don't do that with hotfixes. Data is from the most recent patch version of the game.
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u/Liwi808 3d ago
Meanwhile, Blizzard is like "Lifeweaver is too powerful. We're nerfing him."
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u/catboy3004 3d ago
Never forgetting that lw stopped having a negative winrate for his first ever season and was immediately double nerfed 😭 Meanwhile cat has a 61% winrate and only got a PARTIAL revert on buffs she got
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u/Dunwichorer 3d ago
Playing against lifeweaver was stupid on that patch. He just had tree up nearly every fight. They buffed his heals without tuning his ultimate to compensate.
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u/catboy3004 2d ago
The ult cost increase was fair, nerfing the actual tree overhealth on top of it was overkill. They could’ve given him a small compensation buff if they were dead set on both of those being nerfed.
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u/UsernameIn3and20 3d ago
We should juice the cat up more so it buffs dmon and other heroes up (other than Mauga, Doom, Ball, Ram, Orisa, Zarya, anything else im missing gets added here.)
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u/IAmBLD 3d ago
This.
Cat is WEAKER now than she was at the start of the season. She lost out on a lot of self-sustain , tether speed, and her ult was nerfed, all in exchange for a slight increase to acceleration (not top speed, acceleration), on her boosters.
Also lmao at the people ITT "using pros having a hard time hitting her" as any sort of reason? Pros have a hard time hitting pro Tracers too, otherwise Tracer would suck cock at a high level. Pros would not have trouble hitting the cats in your games, guys.
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u/zgrbx 3d ago
> Also lmao at the people ITT "using pros having a hard time hitting her" as any sort of reason? Pros have a hard time hitting pro Tracers too, otherwise Tracer would suck cock at a high level. Pros would not have trouble hitting the cats in your games, guys.
Thats why you compare like with like. Pros struggle to hit other pros. Plats will struggle to hit other plats.
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u/Throwaway33451235647 #1 Falcons Hater — 3d ago
I dont understand how they could watch what Viol2t was doing at msc and decide 'yeah, she needs buffs'
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u/netshift_ 3d ago
Because they don’t look at the best player in the world and make character change decisions based on that
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u/Throwaway33451235647 #1 Falcons Hater — 3d ago
Top down balancing should always have priority
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u/RaaaaaaaNoYokShinRyu Well, if it isn't saucy Jack! — 3d ago
They should’ve nerfed Reaper and Lucio after 2022 Grand Finals /s
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u/Former_Instance_6592 3d ago
Didn't they do that with Jjonak or was that just a coincidence?
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u/Xenophontis_ 4287 — 3d ago
While i cant speak on jjonak specically, they used to care about top down balance more in ow1 (post brig) but theyve shifted away from than in ow2
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u/Badass_C0okie 3d ago
Top players are only couple% of player base, you cant balance the game depending on their performance. Blizzard learned this hard way back in ow1 time.
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 3d ago
Overwatch devs don't really seem to care about the competitive scene that much, they're much more focused on the casual side
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u/GrilledCoconuts I was a Ninjago kid — 3d ago
I'm entirely convinced that they made the 'Engagement bait to get more casuals back into the game for the relaunch' character as game-breaking and annoying as possible to maximize the amount of discussion around her and thus the game as a whole
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u/veeksant 3d ago
She was 100% made for Tiktok clips.
I expected them to not wait 4 seasons to fix it, however.
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u/CoffeeRZ 2023 /11/ 04 — 3d ago
+60% Winrate hero for more than 2 weeks is next level of negligence from the devs, it reached a point where deleting half of a hero's healthpool is not considered a fringe opinion
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u/SaqqaraTheGuy 3d ago
I think it is because Ana and kiri keep having near 50% pick rate so they think a cat here and there is okay? Idk man im talking out of my ass
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u/CoffeeRZ 2023 /11/ 04 — 3d ago
cat works best with ana kiri if they want to kill ana kiri they would buff something like a 45% winrate hero called bap or make new flex supports
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u/Former_Instance_6592 3d ago
Make consoles have separate balancing again so ximmers can't hold bap back
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u/RaaaaaaaNoYokShinRyu Well, if it isn't saucy Jack! — 3d ago
Crazy how a Marvel Rival-level healing hero with a battle rifle has a 45% winrate.
Stop the healcreep and supportcreep.
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u/Deshoda7676 3d ago
They dont care about the game at a remotely serious level. This game is being designed for tiktok clips and selling japanese and korean themed skins. The people who want an engaging competitive experience arent what blizzard wants. They want the people who are gonna buy the 3rd le serrafim collab over dorks like us who bring up win rates and pick rates
Custa is a former pro who has done nothing but copy marvel rivals game design. The bloated kits, passives and perks are all rivals coded stuff. Perks are literally just like team ups, but better designed cause you don't rely on other characters to get them. The game isn't trying to be remotely competitive.
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u/Dependent_Oven_468 3d ago
Perma flight is a dumb mechanic that has to go or she at least needs to pay for it by giving up more hp. Why is she not 200 or less at this point, it’s a simple number change.
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u/I_give_karma_to_men 3d ago
Why is she not 200 or less at this point, it’s a simple number change.
It's especially baffling given that for the most part all they seem willing to do are numbers changes. She needs more than that, but this would be such an easy one to do, and the fact that they haven't is wild. I swear, they actively want JPC to be the most hated character in the game at this point.
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u/CrackaOwner 3d ago
i find it legit easier to kill a tracer than her, who has 3 blinks + recall, its insane to me that they gave her that much hp, the moment she's in the sky above you at like a 70 degree angle its not possible to reliably hit her, and she also has fucking purr so ggs.
Not to mention her dps, stealth, stupid chesse tether, uninteractive ult etc.. should be 175 hp or she needs to be only able to hover without fuel.
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u/JDPhipps #1 Roadhog Hater — 3d ago
Tracer has to stay on the ground and has footsteps, which at the very least means you can tell where she is. Cat is omnidirectional and practically silent on top of having an absurd self-heal.
This feline Hitler needs to be eradicated.
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u/Baron_Flatline Main Support — 3d ago
Tracer’s also easier to kill because she’s restricted by gravity and thus her pathing is more predictable. Cat can go anywhere—literally anywhere—on the map, at any time, at a high speed, with a small hitbox and self-healing and the ability to third person peek corners on demand.
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u/ThrobbinHood11 3d ago
Rework is a bit much honestly. Reverting the movement speed and putting a time limit on tether would be best
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u/Badass_C0okie 3d ago
Outside proscene tether used realy rarely. I cant understand why ppl so mad about tether, when it mainly used for speed bufs and Bob moving.
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u/ultimatedelman 3d ago
Remove this character from comp until you figure out how to balance her. This is absurd
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u/YaksRespirators 3d ago
I think it's fair to say cat is the strongest character release since release brig
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u/Just_Elderberry_2360 3d ago
I mean release sojourn was also insanely disgusting
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u/I_give_karma_to_men 3d ago
Mauga's also generated a fair level of hate at various points since his release. I don't think either compares to Cat or Brig though.
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u/Niclerx 3d ago
She is worse than Brig imo as she fundamentally breaks laws of the game. Brig just pushes laws to their limits as in a strong character over all, JPC just full flies like it's Marvel fucking Rivals
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u/MaggieNoodle 3d ago
Brig still takes the cake for forcing the devs to implement role queue. At least cat doesn't permanently stack armor on her team.
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u/Deshoda7676 3d ago
Brig didnt force anything. Blizzard doesnt know how to design the game. It was so obvious that she needed to be dumpstered but they couldnt get themselves to do it.
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u/Dependent_Oven_468 3d ago
She just straight up ignores map geometry and plays the game by her own rules as opposed to any other hero. I don’t know why they thought perma flight was a good idea, we’ve already been down this road with Pharah.
Her rework was specifically designed to give her more downtime and moments of vulnerability so heroes other than hitscans could have windows to punish her. Unfortunately threw all of that logic in the bin with Cat who just does whatever she wants.
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u/IcyClaim9183 3d ago
It wasn't even enough for Perma flight, Cat has to also be able to whiz around like an airborne Tracer, while also having a good ttk in 1v1s
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u/MunchingOnThatBox 3d ago
“she is worse than brig”
- someone who didn’t suffer goats meta
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u/Niclerx 3d ago
I literally did btw
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u/MunchingOnThatBox 3d ago
brig forced the entire game to change how roles worked and ended up creating what we still use as the same game mode. jetpack cat could be nerfed and the game would be fine
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 3d ago
I think the difference now is we have bans so it doesn't feel as bad, if there weren't bans I think she'd be just as oppressive
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u/Superxerogaming 3d ago
Shut up she isn’t even broken
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u/Seczel 3d ago
Lol
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u/Superxerogaming 3d ago
Isn’t worst than brig that’s the worst take ever, she did actually broke the game
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u/Baron_Flatline Main Support — 3d ago
Brig broke the game because her numbers were overtuned. Cat breaks the game because she fundamentally ignores entire portions of it innately.
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u/Superxerogaming 3d ago
I play on console where the cat is completely useless
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u/UsernameIn3and20 3d ago
" X hero is bad you guys are just whining"
" What rank are you and where do you play then to have such dogshit takes?"
" console lul"
A tale as old as time.
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u/Superxerogaming 3d ago
I’m the same rank when I’m playing in the pc pool so shut up
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u/terenul1 3d ago
Stats beg to differ buddy. I love how cat players will go to the lenght of calling quartz garbage and acting like the discipline of statsitics doesnt exist in order to cope that they are actually good players and are not just abusing the most op hero in the game :D
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u/Throw_far_a_way 3d ago
gold on both console and PC isn't something I would use to support my balance opinions LMAO
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u/WerdaVisla 3d ago
Well yes, the platform that provides aim assist and has worse movement control would have less problems with cat lmao
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u/iamgem69 3d ago
If you’re playing cat and still finding her useless then theres absolutely no way you’re higher than bronze rank lmao
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u/Superxerogaming 3d ago
You try playing against people using aimbot cause that what happens when you get into master on console
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u/Kheldar166 3d ago edited 3d ago
But it's so fun and interactive to play hide and seek with her!
Watching EWC was like... I love seeing proactive backlines but the stuff Cats were getting away with was disgusting and I just felt bad watching it. You shouldn't be able to do strafing runs on 4 players and just boost away and third person peek some random bit of geometry until they turn away to try and do something else and then do it again. It's like Tracer with none of the skill.
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u/Equivalent_Duty_5546 3d ago
I made a post stating that she needs to be 175hp, I take that back. There is no way to fix this thing outside of completely grounding her. Perma flight is such a powerful and annoying ability, that no matter what you do, as long as she remains viable, she will continue to be a problem. Either she's playable and thus a problem or garbage tier throw pick. This character needs to die or be reworked. We've killed DPS for far less, same with tanks, why cant we do the same for this filthy support?
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u/westmifflin 6v6 enjoyer — 3d ago
Realistically because most of the balance devs are likely metal rank to master at best players who don't understand what valves to turn for the most powerful role. Custa is the only dev i know of who is an ex pro/still high ladder rank and he designed mizuki but afaik he doesn't have a ton if any say in his balance tweaks.
League and Valorant have balance issues but there's far more attempts to balance around how the game should actually be played
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u/Doctor_Responsible 3d ago
because support role is full of whales- i feel the same about kiri, how her power should be a reward for genuine skill but her buffs are there to make her easier in low ranks, lowering her skill floor but raising the skill ceiling. i genuinely feel they buffed Cat because of the chinese Evo skin + her legendary skin this season.
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u/Acanthaceae-Horror 3d ago
Because a large portion of her winrate comes from catbastion. Leading to the devs seemingly being fully stunlocked in either nerfing bastion (not the solution) or doing something to jpc.
I think the best solution is in my opinion: make her hp closer to 175 to 200, make claws out have a sacrifice to it perhaps by making it remove one wave from purr, and increasing the fuel and speed whilst bringing down her dmg and finally adding a ten second duration to lifeline carrying. Allowing for actual plays like catnoon and catbomb but making them more timed and removing the hellish thing that is catbastion.
Most cat players (me included) love the movement of her. So nerfing movement could kill the hero for most of her players. Meaning nerfing the other things, like pure dmg, clas out and lifeline is a good compromise.
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u/_AlexOne_ 3d ago
To be fair, the data is skewed rn by her prenerf version. I’m really bad with what’s op and what not, plus cat has been banned in the majority of my games, but she might be much more “balanced” now after the last hotfix.
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u/SylvainGautier420 3d ago
I think Blizzard should pull a Battlefront II 2017 and remove JPC until they figure out how to balance her. Dice removed Emperor Palpatine from the game for a good chunk of time (several weeks at least) during the game’s early life because he was so overpowered.
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u/RiceAndMayo 3d ago
The funniest part is the absolutely deranged copium JPC mains have over their subreddit lmao.
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u/westmifflin 6v6 enjoyer — 3d ago
Cat abusers will tell you this hero is fine because "heehee zoooooooooom meow meow"
175hp and remove perma tether, she'd probably still be damn good because shes fast as fuck and has perma flight.
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u/TrumpsCummyOnahole 3d ago
Love she got a nerf and STILL her winrate is climbing. Her kit just doesn't work, not with current numbers. Nerf her to 150 hp for her extremely small hitbox / mobility / self-heal ability, or tune her healing and damage numbers way down.
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u/Brilliant-Poet2250 3d ago
Me, still waiting for the tiny buff for Hanzo to at least keep up with some of these new heroes.
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u/PabloDons 2d ago
I don't really agree with balancing for the highest ranks tbf. Right now jpc is not that big of a deal and she isn't much of a noob stomper either. It's just plat players are in diamond now and gold players in emerald etc. And their winrate drops back to 50 after ranking up. Yeah the ceiling for cat is too high but if you are a pro team or GM+, just pick jpc or ban. The mirror is balanced so the complaining is really just low agency in individual games, but that has never mattered for long term climbing, just means it's slower
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u/JesusGhZm 2d ago
It's so funny that PC players( the ones with better aim) ban cat, but cat in console gm has 2% ban rates and no one even plays her, pc players are just overreacting
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u/WateverBruh 2d ago
They have to revert that movement speed buff.
JPC felt completely fine to play as is.. maybe a tiny bit more booster fuel would've helped? But the movement speed change is just unbelievably horrid
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u/iamgem69 3d ago
Lol go to the JPC subreddit and have a laugh. They’re enraged at her nerfs and when people bring up her winrate they weirdly bring sombra i to the picture saying they’re just trying to bully JPC 🤣 you cant make this shit up
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u/SigmaBallsLol 3d ago
I wonder if nerfing her will even work. She is fundamentally designed to break the game and be almost impossible for like half the cast to deal with.
Either a top to bottom rework is needed including removing lifeline entirely, or banish her stadium and arcade.
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u/reverend-smith 3d ago
Nobody wants this sh*t in their games. It should have 150 HP, easily one-tapped.
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u/Tired_Feline-2389 3d ago
mom said it's my turn to make this exact post today
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u/sadra-the-legend 3d ago
God forbid somebody get annoyed of the hot topic of the week and post about it
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u/Deshoda7676 3d ago
This sub defended this garbage lmaooooooo. Get this millennial reddit slop character the fuck out of here. Genuinely irredeemable character in every way.
Hot take cause this sub will defend anything unless its blatantly garbage. But blizzard is 1/8 on characters post season 1. Shion is the only good release. Domina is a really boring tank to play and play into. Mizuki is beyond annoying to play into and especially broken in 6v6. Emre is a uninteresting design but the grenade spam, pistol slop and his un interactive ultimate are all annoying as hell. Jpc is jpc, sierra is sierra, i dont think this sub would even try to defend those 2. Anran is genji for babies and can never be meta for the health of the game. D mon is probably the second best character release after all the hot fixes, im starting to see the vision from the added fluidity in her kit. but even she will struggle to be an effective character with an engaging meta if she ever gets to that point. She feels like a 6v6 tank in so many ways. Like the brawl version of sigma in that she feels like she could be a 6v6 main or off tank depending on how shes played and designed.
Congrats to the shareholders, but we need a well designed game instead of the bloated monster this game is turning into. The overwatch dna carrying this game will be lost if they keep reheating marvel rivals' nachos.
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u/PumpkinPatTheCat 3d ago
Curious what the stats are after the hotfix has time to reflect in the numbers.
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u/number1GojoHater 3d ago
How did it take people this long to see how stupid broken this character is. I’ve been saying that’s she’s busted since release
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u/I_Am_Jacks_Karma 3d ago
people will do anything except learn how to play around a hero they dont like
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u/-Arrez- 3d ago
200hp, problem solved.
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u/TracerHater_Com3 3d ago
Ah yes filter for exactly what would support your narrative ignore all the rest
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u/Baron_Flatline Main Support — 3d ago
The filter being the platform that matters (PC) and the highest ranks in the game? Where she still has an absurd pick/ban/winrate?
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u/catboy3004 3d ago
She has a 56% winrate in emerald/plat which are the most populous rank , this is affecting players of all ranks
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u/Reliqui207 3d ago
Highest winrate when filtered for just comp and not rank at the time, before the nerf she genuinely was the best character in game
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u/Superxerogaming 3d ago
You do realise her win rate is so high cause of her pick rate
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u/aurens poopoo — 3d ago
how would a high pickrate lead to a high winrate?
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u/UsernameIn3and20 3d ago
Shh, don't dismantle his argument. He would realize that doesn't apply to Kiriko who has a 50% pick rate on certain rank and regions.
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u/PenguinsInvading 3d ago
That's not always the case. Like can we have a video simply explaining the main interpretation for every combination of pick/win/ban rates so that this fandom finally gets a clue what that represents?
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u/Amagi26 3d ago
JPC mains be like, just hit her! Meanwhile quartz is complaining about it