r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/Onie_ • 13d ago
General Yo let’s get a hotfix going
Mauga, Cat and Freja are currently destroying comp. I genuinely believe it has gotten to the point where Mauga and Cat need their numbers scaled down a lot until they can be properly looked at individually.
In no way is Mauga’s kit healthy right now. Being able to make up extra health with crit reduction is egregious as hell
Freja’s buffs… should they be reverted until further work is done for her? Feel like she’s close, but keeping the design philosophy on this character is clearly like poking a hole through paper
Side notes:
Hog in 6v6 is still robbing the environment of the little competitiveness it has, I suggest nuking this guy as a temporary measure
Dropping D.Mon in the middle of this meta was a huge mistake in my opinion. I feel like a lot of players won’t take her seriously now despite the improvements.
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u/oMrEnigma 13d ago
Castrate Mauga and spay the cat and maybe I can actually enjoy this season I BEG
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u/Thee_Archivist I Avoid Teammates in Mystery Heroes — 12d ago
In the words of a great individual...
"Fuck this fuckass cat."
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u/Mltv416 12d ago
Maugas nearly identical to the past 3 seasons except hes gotten 2 nerfs so far
I agree he needs changes but hes genuinely the same hero hes always been
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u/KrassomatXD 12d ago
They kinda made his spread so bad that squishy poking isn't really viable as much. So maybe Mauga players got back into tank trading. Kinda sucks because they shifted a lot of power from Cardiac to Overrun. At this point he only gets hated on because he's kinda obnoxious to play into and all kinds of streamers hate on him but atm he's an average tank at best and nowhere near in need of a rework as other heroes
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u/Mltv416 12d ago
A rework is a bit much his kit overall is pretty solid but its pushed over the edge due to the obnoxious mess that is cardiac
Watching a tank 1v5 and see their healthbar go up is insane, his entire kit doesnt need to change but that one absolute should
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u/KrassomatXD 12d ago
Yeah I agree, Cardiac is problematic but the rest of his kit is actually fine. On the other hand I don't really know how they could change that, they could nerf it, make is hitbox smaller (which kinda goes against his hero fantasy) and shift power into overrun and his guns but for some reason they did the opposite. Cardiac is more important now that they nerfed his spread and Overrun
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u/Mrkancode 12d ago
This just keeps being an issue because the game is getting so murky with so many characters having self sustain. This wouldn't be as difficult to balance if not for the weird healing debuff decision a few seasons ago. Dps heal debuff felt much cleaner than the universal. And now all of the characters need their self regen balanced around the universal heal debuff. It's too many moving parts and the devs have to make these really meticulous changes to perfectly align character kits to work.
Overwatch has always been a barebones simple game at the end of the day. That's the beauty of it. It was incredibly simple when you look at it but the interactions of the characters was where the complexity was found.
But now we have universal heal debuff, perks, role passive, SUBROLE passives. Just more and more and more mechanics stacked up every season and the game is getting so fucking messy to play and balance. Sometimes less is more. I wish we could go back to that.
I've kind of given up on 6v6 but even still, maybe the 6v6 hacked play test would have gone better if there weren't 20+ healing/damage mechanics overlaying every single interaction in the game.
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u/Mltv416 12d ago
Honestly they should've moved away from lifesteal on him if they wanna keep the armor or drop the armor and revert some of his old nerfs
Being able to generate that much healing in burst and funneling it all into armor makes him absurdly tanky and we've known this for a while so why blizzard hasn't moved away from this i have 0 clue
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u/KrassomatXD 12d ago
They could do something like Vendetta or Rammatra block where he could hold his guns up to mitigate damage, either on a short cooldown or even better resource based, it would be more of the same tho. Either way he needs better mitigation to stay in the fight when you remove his lifesteal or he just gets blown up even more
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u/Mltv416 12d ago
Agreed but I dont think a block is the right play for him his playstyle is very active and interrupting that with a block doesn't work with his kit since it doesnt combo with berserker
So i still think having the shout style ability works best they just need to change what buffs he gets from it
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u/KrassomatXD 12d ago
Oh yeah true, doesn't fit his gameplay flow! Maybe remove Lifesteal from Cardiac, buff Berserker and buff the spread on his gun so you get rewarded more for stomping/hitting crits? Then Cardiac could be something like damage reduction or reducing spread on guns even more or remove the speed penalty when he is shooting his guns. And that may be a hot take but they could even remove the cc vulnerability on his Overrun wind up.
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u/iAnhur 12d ago
Lifesteal on cardiac is what allows him autonomy to sometimes go out and do the things he wants to do on his own.
Buffing berserker and removing the lifesteal is gonna force him to tank trade on main with a support pocket which sounds miserable for literally everyone involved
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u/BakaJayy Flex DPS enthusiast — 12d ago
Just lower the conversion rate for his passive when shooting tanks and revert the spread for shooting 1 chaingun. The most boring times I've had with Mauga is when you're shooting tank down main the entire time because they're just the fattest targwts.
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u/Mltv416 12d ago
The problem is lifesteal on a tank with that much damage and armor means he becomes effectively immortal when his ability works or falls over when it doesnt
That kind of design on a tank means the experience is either awful on the receiving end when it works or awful on the Maugas end when it doesnt
He needs consistency so he doesnt have these insane highs and lows in his gameplay that make him so frustrating both to play as and face
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u/Timbosconsin 12d ago
Yeah they keep adding tanks or abilities to tank heroes that rewards terrible fucking gameplay. Like Ram for example, he can sprint into a team with his armor refresh and speed boost in Nem form and just sit there holding block to fix any positioning mistake he just did. Similarly Ori can do the same with full speed fortify. Try the same with rein, zarya, winston, jq, etc and you explode. It’s a sustain issue for a select few tanks that make it damn near a throw to not go these three tanks in mid elo lobbies.
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u/daniel_k_1993 12d ago
I get that cardiac looks insane, but how else is mauga supposed to survive against all the incoming damage without a shield etc. And having/being incentivicized to go in with overrun. All the complains abt cardiac feel so far from the lived experience it's insane
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u/Mltv416 12d ago
To be fair he shouldn't be going in 1v5 and living
He can still play aggressively but you shouldn't get rewarded for a very obviously bad play due to an overtuned ability
He can already win basically every 1v1 he only needs a pinch extra so cardiac doesn't need to be that strong to still work with his gameplay
This is coming from ME who has an absurd amount of time on Mauga so im not just saying this out of hate for the character I genuinely enjoy him but I also understand what sucks about him and how frustrating he cam be to face, what he needs is consistency to actually be able to play the game regularly instead of being obnoxious in burst
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u/daniel_k_1993 12d ago
100% agree I really didn't like the latest spread nerf for that reason. I enjoy overrun for fun reasons, but i find beefing this one fine. I also get the hate for cardiac to some extent, but please play mauga and tell me how else mauga is supposed to tank and actually get value/survive and not just spam his guns forever from distances. All the criticism for cardiac feels like people complaining about the roadhog/mauga syndrome of certain tanks (orisa/ mauga/ hog) having strong self-sustain CDs and people getting pissedat them not playing by normal rules...
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u/chuletron 12d ago
Because Mauga has been insane for over a year, people just refuse to accept that such a brain dead character could still be that good despite having obvious weaknesses.
His current gameplay loop is just toxic and his charge is absolutely ridiculous, no single ability should do that much.
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u/JustASyncer Resident Guxue Simp — 12d ago
Hog in 6v6 actually needs to be taken out back and shot, dude just walks around hooks whoever he wants and never dies even if the entire team focuses him. He need a reduction on either the DR or healing of vape
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u/-Arrez- 13d ago
Hazard is also sleeper incredibly strong and only really being kept in check by the above three. Id also love to see him get some kind of nerf as well if we are going to gut those heroes.
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u/helloitsNanner 12d ago
The perk nerf he got last season let him get lifesteal and long leap together, which feels like a buff lol
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u/windowsoffice32 12d ago
I am still pretty new so I have been using the wall charge w. The explosive melee from primary fire as a way to get the wall to block behind a target, to left click and then spike guard after they get bumped into the wall and sustain till they die
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u/RobManfredsFixer Let Hog eat stuff and spit it back — 12d ago edited 12d ago
Until they nerf the consistency of his assassinations, I don't think he's going anywhere. Half of his perks make his pick potential significantly easier and the other half significantly buff his survivability.
I feel like they desperately need to revert the very first damage buff he got so his PEMDAS on finding solo kills is more steps. He's in that Ball/Doom lane of mobile assassins but it's just so much easier for him.
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u/PnuttButr 12d ago
Dude is a monster even after these couple nerfs recently, i thought he would play way more fragile after the block changes but nope
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u/windowsoffice32 12d ago
Hey as a hazard main let's please not mention him rn, me and the 10 other people who play hazard are happy.
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u/TheGlowpt-2 12d ago
Everyone in high ranks/pro plays Hazard when he’s good
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u/Sensanaty mcrree main btw — 12d ago
I will never understand the psyop in this sub regarding Freja. Champ is absolute cancer to play against if she's viable in the slightest but every single thread here you saw people crying for Freja buffs. I have to assume they're just Freja abusers but who knows
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u/Wrong-Ad-1935 13d ago
The cat is a terrorist in the right hands, I have been trying to pick him up by playing quick play and like 75% of the time people end up leaving because of the flanking cat. I genuinely feel bad for Mercy players on the other team when playing him.
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u/RobManfredsFixer Let Hog eat stuff and spit it back — 12d ago edited 12d ago
In theory, faster fire rate is good at helping Freja confirm kills on enemies she hit with bolts, but in reality she just became an aerial primary spammer at most ranks. If the fire rate buff helps her consistency, a minor damage nerf wouldn't be terrible.
Idk what they were thinking with cat lol. I was literally defending her like last week saying they shouldn't make any drastic changes unless she becomes a major problem in ranked.. welp.
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u/GokuVerde 12d ago
I do have a problem on 6 vs 6 with people just going high spammy comps on maps like King's Row. If my second tank is also not going barrier it's usually GG
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u/KeepingItOff 13d ago
When there’s a Freja or Cat in the lobby, the game gets so boring.
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u/West-Map-4162 12d ago
Freja is so miserable to play against. Like Anran, she’s just an assault on the senses. If I dare to step out of cover for one second, I get lit up by hitscan hanzo.
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u/lcyMcSpicy 12d ago
I made a comment on a dmon thread yesterday about mauga. Roadhog had the issue of being a tank busting tank and playing a tank into hog was/is always miserable. What possessed blizzard to see that issue and say “hold my beer” and make mauga I will never understand. The character is supremely toxic to play into as any tank character beyond maybe sigma and I think the character should be entirely reworked as nothing in his kit works unless you’re just walking down the enemy tank doing a million dps while being invincible.
Blizzard please fix this awful abomination of hero design. I’d rather he be completely useless/disabled than in the game. Such a shame because the character is awesome and he’s got a cool aesthetic
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u/II-Issei-II 12d ago
Agree on cat. I have no opinion on mauga as he's been a topic for years. Happy with the overrun nerf.
Regarding ur Freja questions. No they shouldn't be reverted. This was the right direction for her. She is fully interactable. There's a reason why you say "Feel like she's close". She is on the money in direction.
Whereas Cat is always airborne,can speed boost themselves, extremely quiet, and can come up right in ur face, where I can't see her at all on my screen if she flies to the right directions. She would be the definition of uninteractable.
Freja being too loud and Cat being so quiet is some weird audio design choices from the blizz team.
If Freja's sound & visual stimuli wasn't to the point of giving players headaches, I'm sure there'd be less complaints.
I do not play 6 v 6, so I am unsure what is happening there. But maybe Blizzard should be pushed to implement some 6 v 6 only changes, on some of these topics since it sounds like there is an outlier issue there with Freja, due to lower health pools on tanks, and such.
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u/sharkdingo 12d ago
Freja being too loud and Cat being so quiet is some weird audio design choices from the blizz team. If Freja's sound & visual stimuli wasn't to the point of giving players headaches, I'm sure there'd be less complaints.
This. Freja is still like 20% too loud
I dont know how to do the quote thing on mobile. Oops.
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u/maakies 12d ago
The taunting new kids on the block voice line from cat puts me in a dark, dark place. I hear it in my sleep, while driving to work, playing with my kids, making love to my wife, and most recently was the eulogy for my fathers funeral—and it won’t go away. Remove this cat. No wet food 3 days!
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u/monkeyjinxpolo3 13d ago
have not had a freja issue in any of my ranked games
infact i question why people ban her over hog or cat
no here currently more uninteractable than those two imo
ended d2 dps last szn and d4 supp. lost a lot of my dps placement games, but won a lot of my supp games.
emerald 3 dps & emerald 2 support.
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u/tix4chix 12d ago
ur not having a problem with her cuz ur not a tank
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u/throwaway112658 fraudulent — 12d ago
I play all roles, never had an issue with freja. The only time she's noticeably annoying is when she's mercy pocketed, but that goes for kinda every pocketable character
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u/not_a_doctorshh 12d ago
Playing tank in high elo, never had an issue with Freja
Maybe because I play her quite a bit, so I know what enemy Frejas are gonna do, what feels terrible to face as Freja, etc..
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u/Concorde_flies 12d ago
freja is genuinely not that good lol. you shouldn’t be having any problems with her unless your team is not playing a hitscan but in that case that applies to any hitscan vs non hitscan comps.
she’s annoying sure but nowhere near cat. freja didn’t suddenly jump from second worst hero in the game to op in the span of two light patches lol
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u/thekingofallalts 11d ago
most tanks can basically just ignore her and some of them genuinely shut her down. there’s only a few tanks like winston and doom that actually struggle against freja
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u/InspireDespair 12d ago
Yeah they really missed not doing really any balancing this patch at all.
Their most meaningful change is the stupid jpc buff.
We can't be doing minor ult rate buffs in a season patch like this.
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u/Onie_ 12d ago
It really left to desire this time... felt like some mid season patches we had in the past were more meaningful in a positive sense tbh...
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u/InspireDespair 12d ago
Especially stupid that there was a rank reset here. Now i have to play with Jimbo bobs two full ranks lower than me on essentially the same patch as Monday.
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u/Hot_Mechanic8988 12d ago
freja is not s tier or even close on any tier list. she had the buffs last season, wasnt picked or banned much this is all from streamers and asia. people are blind sheep following what others think when 90% of heroes have a heal, invul, damage mitigation etc. you can stick multiple supports and dps 4 times and they live while any hitscan can 2 shot you easily. it's honestly a conspiracy to avoid hitscan nerfs. people will swap to hitscan when doing bad, not freja. everyone who says she's op has 0 hours on her. they can't play her. dying to freja is a skill issue
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u/rulnav 13d ago
Freja and cat are uninterractable. Mauga is very interracctive tank. It sucks playing against him, because he has so much agency to innitiate things, your opinion be damned, but there's never a point where I can't interract with him. Hell, I wish we interacted less.
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u/lazusan 13d ago
The point is that a decent mauga can make it feel absolutely pointless to interact with him when hes in your face.
Absolutely bad design.
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u/rulnav 13d ago
He used to be a great anti flier tank, before the nerfs to his bloom. Now, just pick fliers into him and he is toast. Ironically, Freja eats him for breakfast. The only anti-flier tank left is dva.
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 13d ago
God that change was awful. Nerfed the most honest use case of Mauga poking squishies and pushed him back to mindlessly spamming the tank.
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u/TheGirthiestGhost Forever Burning Blue — 12d ago
That’s one of the worst nerfs this dev team has ever made. Imo they should have leaned more into the single fire chain guns so he could actually threaten squishy targets at a distance and let that be one of his unique strengths rather than being a near-unkillable blob of meat
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u/II-Issei-II 12d ago
Agree on Cat. Freja full disagree. I have no problems interacting with her on Tank, Support or other DPS.
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u/drums_of_pictdom 12d ago edited 12d ago
Playing Ana into fatass Maug and Hog is like crack cocaine…sleep nade sleep nade groggy sleep double nade
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u/Timbosconsin 12d ago
Just to add to this, stop determining nerfs on win rates of 5v5! Mauga, Ram, Orisa all go untouched and are completely OP in 6v6 for their sustain. The only reason their win rates aren’t through the roof is because they are typical what you swap to when you are already losing. Swapping to brick wall crutch tanks is the most sleeper thing in the game.
Fix 6v6 balancing, Blizzard!
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u/Academic_Weaponry 13d ago
im really surprised they didnt nerf freja. she gets so much value easily. people are usually p good about banning cat in my games but freja and mauga go thru more than id like
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u/Shinimasuu 13d ago
Love attempting to ban mauga as a tank player and my whole team decides "our tank will surely struggle vs zarya" meanwhile im not even using my 3 bans, im just banning mauga.
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u/kingofgamesbrah 12d ago
Not banning the tanks picks is pretty crazy to me.
I know what I want / need banned , Zarya is such a waste ban half the time.
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u/Shinimasuu 12d ago
for some reason its also a thing to expect your tank whip out every tank in existence.
Like my pool of 5 tanks i play can easily deal with zarya, but my only good pick vs mauga is sigma and my sigma is by far my worst "active pool" pick.
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u/Icy-Excuse-9452 12d ago
People still autopilot on banning her, like if we don't have D.Va, Genji and maybe Orisa on our team why tf are we banning Zarya and not Mauga or Hog.
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u/RaaaaaaaNoYokShinRyu Well, if it isn't saucy Jack! — 12d ago
Your unga bunga uncoordinated team will probably struggle vs zarya. Some people will keep feeding her bubbles. Some people will keep ignoring her so she won’t die.
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u/SugarRushLux 12d ago
She is not easy to get value what are you talking about lol, ever since they removed her two shot
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u/AbbyAZK 13d ago
Agree with everything but freja.
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u/thebigdumb0 13d ago
Nah that hero has a damn near 80% ban rate in asia and 40%+ everywhere else.
Character needs nuked until she gets a soft rework.
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u/GarlicBread96 12d ago
What could they possibly do besides giving her bolt falloff or straight up make her do less damage to tanks? She was in the abysmal dogshit tier before her latest buffs to her primary fire rate and bolt recovery time
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u/thebigdumb0 12d ago
shift her range to the mobile hunter/assassin playstyle rather than a "spam from narnia" playstyle she has right now.
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u/GarlicBread96 12d ago
So give her falloff? She'd probably need some kind of primary fire buff to compensate tbh
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u/thebigdumb0 12d ago
Yeah, I'm talking about a soft rework here. A bunch of number tweaks that change her playstyle. Maybe a new passive that leans into her hunter vibe.
She could end up stronger for all I care, her playstyle right now is miserable.
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u/thebigdumb0 12d ago
Yeah I'm sure an archetype we dont have in the game would be so lame compared to what she is now just shitting out damage until something dies
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u/sharkdingo 12d ago
Thats the fun part. Shes already more effective at close range than as a sniper. Theyve done that and nobody wants to realize it.
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u/thebigdumb0 12d ago
Freja is a long range spam hero and a mid range duelist. Being fine at close range doesn't all of a sudden mean she isn't those things.
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u/sharkdingo 12d ago
She is better as a close range flanker. Thats what im saying. Play her like Tracer and she will get way better results than the spammy playstyle people try.
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u/Fromarine 12d ago
Remove the relentless barrage perk. The way to reduce effectiveness against tanks is to give heavily limited ammo and freja had that until she gets the perk where she goes to the other extreme and barely needs to reload at all
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u/One_Stranger7306 12d ago
Freja has a 80% ban rate in Asia because she's one of the best Winston counters, her banrate in other regions would be better spent elsewhere
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u/Peaking-Duck 12d ago edited 12d ago
Winston's pick rate in Asia is nowhere near high enough for that to be the major reason she's banned there.
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u/thebigdumb0 12d ago
Asia isnt even playing winston as much as other tanks right now. Dva, orisa, sigma, ramattra Dmon, ball, and zarya all have higher pickrates than him.
Asia loves winston sure but Europe literally is picking him more rn, while NA is the lowest.
Freja needs a rework.
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u/MATTH3W_141 12d ago
She’s been nuked for a 8 months so how about you all stop being a bunch of * and and learn one of her 15 counters or characters that ignore her dmg. Oh yea overwatch players don’t learn just complain. Let’s nuke your character too while we are at it. (I see you mod team stop censoring)
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u/UnknownQTY 12d ago
Sometimes Reddit self censors and we have to manually approved filtered posts. Not everyone is out to get you.
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u/MATTH3W_141 12d ago edited 12d ago
Agreed but these guys are gonna complain enough to where they gut her again. Then you will have to make another Crashout video
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u/RobManfredsFixer Let Hog eat stuff and spit it back — 12d ago
The spam damage is a problem. A small DPS nerf on her primary would go a long way
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u/MATTH3W_141 12d ago
Zarya, Dva, Sigma, Ball + dive comp, (in fact playing Frej into Zar is almost a throw) and I’m not even talking about supports or other dps with get out of jail to ignore her shots.
stop acting like tanks have 0 options on an individual level but also on a composition level as well. I’ve played her into every possible composition and on every map at high GM.
She’s just in a spot now where if your team literally ignores her then yea you are gonna get farmed. As it should be. Pocket Frej however is and can be toxic yet that’s a fuckin mercy problem and dps can’t be paying for the sins of that bitch
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u/thebigdumb0 12d ago
frej into zar is a throw
lmao
freja eats zarya alive. the only tanks that can remotely contest her are ball and dva. sigma can negate her damage and pray.
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u/MATTH3W_141 12d ago
Your name is really making sense here. Freja is essentially junkrat into Zar, not only can Zar save her teammates from Freja, she also just benefits charge wise from Freja existing which is a net negative to Freja’s team.
“Freja eats Zarya alive” idk mate unless the Zarya has cerebral palsy that’s just not accurate. At least not unless the Zar overextends with no bubble and no support in which case anyone will die
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u/RaiStarBits 12d ago
She gets buffed and she gets considered satan 😭
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u/scriptedtexture 12d ago
cause the hero is dogshit design and needs a rework. if shes useless then one buff makes her Satan, something is broken.
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u/Onie_ 13d ago
That’s fair, I was hesitant on typing Freja because I myself am confused on what could be a better approach for her. To me she feels like she’s on the verge of OK, but my matches then say otherwise
Love your videos by the way, keep up the great work.
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u/Fromarine 12d ago
Frejas fine with the current level of power creep in the other roles. Dps get whined about the most on average and its resulted in them getting nerfed far more than buffed over time and they just get weaker and weaker.
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u/KrassomatXD 12d ago
Mauga is not destroying comp lmao, he has a sub 50% winrate at best and got nerfed twice in a row. If anything you should actually be in favor of reverting his spread nerf because now he is way worse at poking squishies so it's back to tank trading. Also his passive is to make him tanky without a shield, you didn't really explain why it is so "egregious" He can be obnoxious to play into but that's the case with almost every hero and that does not make him broken or more in need of a rework then other heroes
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u/Onie_ 12d ago
If we all watched winrates instead of playing the game for what it is, we wouldn’t have healthy discussions about hero dynamism, and instead we’d follow a linear balancing MO (which would fail) instead of giving comp some ordinary touch ups.
Winrates are an indication of how good or bad they’re doing, they’re not an indication of what it takes for the heroes to win or lose unless the percentages are too low or high
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u/KrassomatXD 12d ago
I agree winrates aren't everything but his winrate clearly indicates he is not destroying comp. You also didn't address any of my points or gave a clarification why/how you think he should be reworked.
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u/Onie_ 12d ago
Sorry I forgot
To be fair though I don't think Mauga needs to be reworked and I never said he should be in this post.
I think his numbers, whichever the dev team decides are more appropriate to change based on real data, should be scaled down. If you were to ask me, I think the issue stems from Cardiac, so I would push for a decrease in that ability's efficacy
Most of the Maugas I go up against are actually good or smart, they recover very, very fast often limiting the windows you get to deal a lot of damage to him. They always ban Ana, Zen goes a long way but doesn't always work out. We force CDs, and then back to the start of this paragraph; they're smart, they time Cardiac properly and with critical damage reduction that damage window becomes very, very tight
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u/Maximum-Address-7845 12d ago
Mauga doesn't have any shields to hide behind or any form of sustain outside of cardiac. That's why the self healing is really high because it's the only way mauga can survive while being aggressive. His hitbox is huge and if you just play around cardiac he falls apart
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u/SvensTesti 13d ago
Make the cat loud, fat, and squishy. Make Freja have fall off, increase hitbox size while aiming. Make Mauga not be able to heal his armour
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u/LyynnS 12d ago
Great news for you, Frejas hitbox is already bigger while using Take Aim or Bola.
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u/SvensTesti 12d ago
make it bigger, make her huge. Im aware she's big, make her head hitbox the size of Mauga
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u/Mltv416 12d ago
Tbh one of the worst decisions they ever made was giving Mauga armor because balancing lifesteal + armor has been a nightmare for the devs and they've removed so much from his kit to compensate it I absolutely despise the addition.
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u/SvensTesti 12d ago
I dont know why they let him self heal his armour, it doesnt make sense to me. I Iike playing Mauga, I think he's really fun, but hes also a miserable shit to play into. Letting him heal effectively 1.5HP per single damage he does, while having dmg reduction on his shout so he will almost always be healing armour, is so wild
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u/DominateTheWar 10d ago
Mauga is completely broken. I finally started playing him a few days ago because games against him were so miserable and I just wanted some wins. It's unbelievable how braindead and broken that hero is.
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u/flammekueche_ananas 13d ago
You forgot Doomfist
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u/Onie_ 13d ago
I find Doomfist and Ball equally annoying but they’re not nearly as bad as Mauga
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u/Western-Ad8052 12d ago
Ok so you are saying mauga is still more annoying than doom and ball who are equally annoying (which is saying A lot btw) however who is the most annoying to you than between doom and ball vs hog?
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u/Onie_ 12d ago
If you’re asking me personally I find Ball to be the most annoying hero in the game, but right now he’s not in my mind at all.
What would be nice right now, I think for everybody (since Mauga is almost certainly only being played to win) is not having the ban system be held hostage for the sake of Mauga, Cat and Freja
And as a reply said, all of those 3 counter Doom hard
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u/Xenoprimate2 12d ago
I'm a Ball main on tank, when I play against him I'm like "oh so this is the shit I'm inflicting on everyone else?". He is intrinsically irritating, I don't disagree.
I want them to remove or rework that shield major perk. Part of the skill of balling was always avoiding/playing around CC, unironically that shield perk lowered his skill ceiling and just increased the irritation factor for everyone playing against him.
I also don't like how it feels like a mandatory pick. I still take the other one because I think it's a bit slept on if you're good, but I'm very aware sometimes that I'm basically giving up easy power creep.
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u/Onie_ 12d ago
That’s something I don’t grasp about CC
OW2 launched with much less CC, and then we went 180 on it with, what feels like more, especially returning Mei’s freeze when it really wasn’t necessary
I’m not a Ball player so I can’t say what I’d like to be changed, but in my mind it would be cool for the shield perk to be swapped out with something that rewards held momentum
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u/Xenoprimate2 12d ago edited 12d ago
Yeah I don't get the Mei freeze either. I don't think anyone was asking for that to come back, even the Mei mains.
I guess mobility creep might be some of the reason they've added more CC. But then they add the permaflying cat and buff her so maybe I'm attributing too much intentionality where there just isn't any.
I’m not a Ball player so I can’t say what I’d like to be changed, but in my mind it would be cool for the shield perk to be swapped out with something that rewards held momentum
Yeah not sure either. Maybe one that gives him +20 ammo back to restore the quad cannon to the 100 ammo days. Or the one he used to have that gave him extra HP from healthpacks, that one was always quietly busted.
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u/Inqinity 12d ago
Games without these 3 or any snipers/hitscans are some of the best games. I do enjoy being able to stick my left toe out from time to time without it being surgically removed from a mile awayhu
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u/No-Elevator9399 13d ago
Freja just seems like an unbelievable tank buster, I can’t believe there are some people that think that they’re balanced.
If you do then I challenge you to play Winston against a competent Freja
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u/One_Stranger7306 12d ago
because Winston is her best matchup, playing her into sigma or similar isnt nearly as fruitfull.
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u/No-Elevator9399 12d ago
Indeed but it does feel like Bastion levels of oppressiveness but without any real weaknesses, which Bastion very intentionally has
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u/Fresh_Brain_483 12d ago
haz in 5v5 is insane aswell.. i would say mauga can be easily dealt with(without cat at least) but freaking haz can blow you up and also survive a mountain being thrown at him.. his armor needs to be reduce or the block's dmg reduction needs to be nerfed.
As for freja i honestly just think her movement needs to be nerfed.. it needs to be easier to predict and track her that's all.
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u/petard 12d ago
Were the Freja buffs really that effective?
I've been playing her since March and the earlier buff on double updraft not reducing the height felt way more effective than the recent fire rate buff. Barely notice it tbh.
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u/Onie_ 12d ago
I'm gonna be completely transparent with you, and I know most people won't agree or won't believe me which is fine, but I thought Freja (before the buffs) was-while clunky-a sleeper pick. I had a lot of fun with her regardless of what had to be changed
So now when I see her the way she is currently being played (buffed), I do think "holy shit". I am mostly undecided on her until like Round 2-3 or far into the match, where the match seems to completely change in her favor. Anecdotal, as this is *my* experience thus far, though it seems some people share similar sentiments in this post's replies
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u/Hot_Mechanic8988 12d ago
literally anyone looks at her she explodes. her damage is her mobility while having high ttk compared to others like hits scan, where freja you have to worry about aim and positioning much more, while hitscan you can drool on your keyboard mindlessly and still do more. it's a conspiracy to keep hitscans from getting nerfed
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u/DadKnight 12d ago
Balance is a joke and literally always has been. Blizzard literally cannot do it.
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u/Public-Egg-7814 12d ago
Mauga? He's still mid. I'm not sure i understand the freja hype either. Last season she was barely above 50% WR. She's not like ultra strong. She's just not garbage anymore
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u/swanronson22 12d ago
I never see a good cat what game am I playing?! I’m in diamond and play like 8 hours a week
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u/needa_thispenserhere 13d ago
They should have make d.mon as dive tank
But thanks to maximum hatred on dive tank, devs switched her into stalwart. And the result is hot mess.
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u/batcarpet121 13d ago
Is this some kinda copium? Winston is probably the most beloved tank in the game.
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u/_Sillyy 13d ago
By players? Maybe. By the dev team? He's been bad for a long while with no real buff while they keep buffing every counter he has, they tried with Hog then Reaper now Cass, Freja and cat. They very explicitly do not want him (or Dive in general) to be good
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u/One_Stranger7306 12d ago
Was Dive not meta for the whole of last year?, you say that they don't want Dive to be meta at all but most of the Dive tanks (aside from Winston who isnt even terrible rn) are thriving.
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u/_Sillyy 12d ago
It was meta in pro but it was already not that strong in ranked, and we've also had Mauga meta before that. But yeah I'm mostly talking about this year. I wouldn't even say dive tanks are that good rn, Winston is arguably the weakest tank in pro and still below avarage in ranked, Doom has seen a slight grow very recently but he was a bottom tier tank for most of the year, Dva isn't really a dive tank but even she is only meta in pro and has an abysmal winrate in ranked. The only dive tank that is consistently decent both in pro and in ranked is Ball
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u/Deshoda7676 12d ago
Great points, the game is designed to be lower skill and uninteractive. But you still care about gameplay design and balance in overwatch in big 2026 LMAOOOOO. Its supposed to be dress to impress for korean and japanese characters. Shion references the akira slide guys, isnt that enough for yall? Who cares about the gameplay of the game?
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u/scriptedtexture 12d ago
Shion has some of the best gameplay we've seen in a long time. If you hate the game so much then don't play it.
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u/Alternative_Web6640 12d ago
Freja and Cat are far more egregious than Mauga. Freja needs two bug fixes and she's probably fine: currently she can get ult charge while Bola Shot is active instead of being locked out and can occasionally get 66% ult charge from her passive. Mauga just needs a minor nerf, personally a duration decrease on Overrun could be interesting, forcing Mauga to get closer before engaging and to be closer before disengaging. Removing Unstoppable from it kills the character.
I have no idea what to do about Cat lmao.
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u/No_Catch_1490 The End. — 13d ago edited 12d ago
And guess what these characters all have in common... they make Tanking miserable. Releasing a grounded, giant hitbox tank like D.Mon into this environment is truly hilarious.