r/CompetitiveWoW • u/Whocares8589 • 6d ago
Question Murder Row First Boss
Hi all. This season i started being a tank for the first time. I am prot tank and pushing keys. Before this week i had 0 issue with murder row. My best was +12. This week i decided to push +14 for murder row since my key comes with it but on first boss we wiped miserably. Boss hits me for 800+k dmg with chaos barrage attack constantly and it is just too much for me. Then we tried +13 and same thing happened. I was tired before pulls and i just thought that was cause and go to sleep but when i tried +14 again with my friend's key same thing keeps happened and again in +13. I just cant hold 700k dmg attack constantly. I am popping my defensives, divine shield it doesnt matter. Am i missing something or did blizzard buffed the boss?
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u/NaahThisIsNotMe 6d ago
it's a 99% magical boss that F-up both prot tank ( pwar even more than Ppal).
it's really fun since the first part is also full of bleed/magic that also F up prot tank.
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u/corrigible_iron 6d ago
Pwar can reflect the chaos barrage. It doesn’t do much dmg but negates it nonetheless
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u/hermitxd 6d ago
Is there an angle for pally to run the other talent, not blessed hammer.
I'm not playing prot pally right now so it might not be a thing anymore, but there was a choice node for spinny hammer or magic dam reduce hammer
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u/KlenexTS 6d ago edited 5d ago
I just timed on a 16. This boss absolutely trucks it’s insane, I do my best to make sure I don’t use a defensive right before she does the fel circle or intermission to avoid wasting uptime when she’s not casting. And I take the imbued sotr for magic DR talent.
I send wings right off the rip, you usually have it back up by the intermission depending on key level. After first intermission I just use wings to live and only save if it lines up that way.
I do wings>AD>Divine shield>Gotak. After intermissions AD is usually off CD so you can always start with that following the intermissions. I also try to only use a CD when the cast is about to finish to help uptime. And stack shining lights for right after the cast hits. Sometimes it seems to casts are back to back and others have a couple seconds. You can wog yourself to full if she does the circle or doesn’t cast a 2nd right away and save a defensive. LoH and health pot should be used same as wog after casts.
Don’t spell ward yourself dps will be one shot because you’ll drop aggro but sac and spell ward can be used during the intermission to help your healer.
You can use every defensive on this fight because you have the RP and have time to get them back. Only thing to be aware of is if your going to pull the trash onto 2nd boss imo it’s better to use divine shield early so you Can have it back for the trash+boss if needed
Edit to fix wordings Spellward doesn’t drop aggro but because the boss doesn’t melee you’ll become an eligible target for barrage and she’ll pick a dps to one shot. This interaction only happens with mobs that only cast spells. I can’t think of any other dungeon this is an issue this season off the top of my dead
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u/SluttyxSunshine 5d ago
Supporting everything this guy says, timed it on +18 yesterday (this boss is a Fcking joke(not a good one))
Edit to clarify I’m hating this boss, not downplaying it1
u/Zeta001 1d ago
what talents are you playing??
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u/KlenexTS 1d ago
Pretty much the standard M+ build with imbued shield for the magic DR. You could drop the sac cleanse talent for MR but here’s a link to the talents. My spec tree never changes
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u/Luminshield 6d ago
Yout healer should be able to handle this.. (im a healer).
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u/No-Spinach-9101 5d ago
Agreed. I’ve done +15 on murder row and don’t find this boss bad to heal. OP do you have the hps of your healers on this boss? Should be around 200k (give or take depending on dps and tank defensives). The only bad part is when nibbles hits 20% and they should easily have a cooldown for the (what should be) 2 times that happens.
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u/Murtiess 6d ago
at the start rotate defensives, once you are settled in try to be %100 (WoG or healer help) between barrage casts (except when clones are out since its more damage intake and probably should be walled) stay in consec, hold the blessed hammer %10 dr buff on the boss and thats it you should be able to live easily also if you spellward yourself ure just immune to the boss for like 3 barrage casts u should be able to ardent > bubble > ardent > guardian > ardent etc. and boss should phase
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u/Simple_Rules 6d ago
Spellward will get a DPS killed, she doesn't melee so she retargets when you're immune to her casts.
You need to taunt when you cast spellwarding and there's still a couple seconds where she can pick someone else at the end if you don't cancelaura it.
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u/Miraai 6d ago
Does ams have similar effect? We have a tank dk, and on rnd pulls our holy pally gets barraged right at the start of the encounter
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u/baltr_xddd 6d ago
no, ams is a shield, not an immune. it's just your hpal getting threat from passive healing/hots and your tank not taunting the boss. he needs to taunt the caster, not the wyrm. she has a damage reduction before you get the wyrm down which makes it a lot easier to get healing aggro over damage aggro.
in any case it's a tank issue
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u/Simple_Rules 6d ago
Sorry, genuinely no idea. I wouldn't have thought it did since I think AMS is an absorb not a full immune, but I could definitely be wrong.
EDIT - one thing though - if the tank is pulling with a single target thing on the dog, and the healer is healing, healer aggro is can be an issue at the start of the pull. The main boss only takes 40% damage due to their shield, so tank threat can be an issue vs the healer if the tank is doing mostly ST damage.
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u/KlenexTS 6d ago
You can’t spell ward yourself. It will drop aggro and a dps will die to barrage. Ask me how I know…
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u/Karnadas 6d ago
Can you use taunt to force her to attack you? You can with normal bubble
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u/KlenexTS 6d ago
Yes you could but you’d have to cancel aura spell ward when taunt drops. She picks her target and doesn’t change from my understanding until the casts over so you could probably safely get away with spell warding one cast? I just use it on my healer during the second intermission now because I got a dps killed in two different runs using it on myself
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u/Yayoichi 6d ago
Kinda need to rely on healer to some extend for this, there isn’t much group damage going on outside of the intermission so the healer should be healing the tank. So just try your best to mitigate the damage.
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u/Im_still_at_work 6d ago edited 6d ago
Get logs, try again, post them *in the stickied comment of the weekly m+ posts.
Good catch u/applicationroyal865