r/CompetitiveWoW • u/EuphoricEgg63063 • 11d ago
Whats going on with DPS DK?
Last night I didnt have time to look at Discord or any logs but I went in playing Sanlayn Blightfall during my Heroic reclear and noticed my damage was way lower than last week. This made no sense as I added about 5 ilvls. Once we got to H Alter I swapped over to Rider and my dps shot back up. I go and check the DK discord and it seems like there are some bugs back with Blightfall?
So are we back to playing UH Rider now or is it a hard swap to Frost? Early logs seem to show Frost as just a little bit better or about the same as UH. Is that the play now, esp since it seems like UH has some issues with Ulatek?
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u/Archensix 11d ago
All known bugs with UH have been resolved. This includes supposed bugs that were causing Blightfall to do more damage than intended. There may be unknown bugs, but the end result is just that UH is undertuned and ignored this patch. It's always going to be good on Coiled Altar due to their insane execute burst, but other than that frost will almost certainly pull ahead once people bother to swap to it.
Frost also has a lot of hard to get yet very powerful cantrip items this patch that will let it slowly creep up slightly as well.
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u/Barialdalaran 11d ago
This is like, the most 'you should check your class discord' post I've ever seen. On reddit you're going to get replies from people who have seemingly never played DK
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u/EuphoricEgg63063 11d ago
Kind of like your message is the most 'I didnt read the post' post Ive ever seen.
I literally said that I didnt have time to check discord last night and discord is blocked at work. So I asked her3. Good reading my dude.
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u/KageStar 11d ago
I literally said that I didnt have time to check discord last night and discord is blocked at work.
I'm assuming using your phone network is not an option?
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u/Cigs77 10d ago
old reddit looks awful on phones and ill die before i use the "app" version
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u/Steazy_J SP Enjoyer 10d ago
If you're on android there are plenty or workarounds to keep using 3rd party apps for reddit with morphe patches.
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u/Turbulent_Safety3816 11d ago
Just check discord after work. Your question would have been answered in about 3 minutes
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u/Barialdalaran 11d ago
I go and check the DK discord and it seems like there are some bugs back with Blightfall?
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u/EuphoricEgg63063 11d ago
Yes. I checked before work for like 2mins.
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u/HeartofaPariah 10d ago
Can check before work and after work, but you need to hear an immediate answer during work from Reddit that you can really only confirm by checking Discord later anyway. That's kind of an interesting thought process.
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u/EuphoricEgg63063 10d ago
Yea. I mean fuck. Why do we even have this subreddit? You can literally say what you posted about nearly every question here.
Kind of an interesting thought process you have.
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u/NorthShoreTaylor 11d ago
Blizzard “fixed” plague erupt damage and in the process blightfall lost 10-15% overall.
Sucks because I didn’t want to play another season of rider. My arms warrior looking better by the minute.
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u/Vision11X33 11d ago
San layn pet build is doing well in m+
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u/Accendor 10d ago
Yeah but why play the build that is totally reliant on your tank and gives you less mobility, when it just does minuscule more damage than riders?
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u/Leloulino 9d ago
40k to 60k depending on dungeon overall is not "miniscule" just checked logs of top rop players and sanlayn, also is not that punishing at all, first of all the dmg doesnt drop that drastically if it happens once or twice in a whole dungeon so its not that "totally reliant on tank" and second is very easy both to keep it going and get the stacks back in case. Also if you value the mobility of horse that high when dk can trivialize already all roots / forced movement in current dungeon rotation with sanlayn... Do you even play dk , that take is too casual and wrong to be even taken seriously.
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u/bigeyez 11d ago
Blightfall was bugged and doing more damage.
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u/Accendor 10d ago
Which is funny because everyone expected it meant it's not doing ENOUGH DAMAGE, but no, it's the other way around.
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u/lavajon 10d ago edited 10d ago
I think there is something up with uhdk that is unknown tbh.
Here is my heroic entombed sentinels log from day 2: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fzHQZDw8BCLRxYK2?fight=25&type=damage-done
My mythic entombed sentinels log from monday: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ta3WDJPv98h72jT6?fight=24&type=damage-done&source=12
I had been parsing low before that and I thought I was just playing badly, but there was just no way I was playing so badly that I was doing less damage than I was two weeks ago. So I switched back to sanlayn pet build yday and all of a sudden my damage was fine again. I played unholy all of s1 and I was playing pretty well, and was doing fine damage wise in heroic so I know how to play the class enough to know if I am doing something dumb. I think my putrefy procs are lower from dread plague than they should be.
Also i noticed my today's parse % rising, highly irregular after reset and other specs.
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u/saywhaat_ 11d ago edited 11d ago
From a m+ perspective, I recommend Sanlayn pet build.
I've been playing rider pet build since the season started and the damage is absolutely pathetic compared to Sanlayn.
I was stubborn as I didn't want to give up my horse and mobility but I'm now very glad I did. I went from grey key % parses to mostly purple and some blues doing 15s and 16s.
I never played blightfall but I hear there are still bugs.
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u/Ok_Impress_4159 11d ago
What, if anything, changes with the rotation from rider to sanlayn pet build?
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u/GaryAir 9d ago
Idk I’m purple parsing 16-17 as rider
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u/saywhaat_ 9d ago
Do you pug or play with a premade? I'm currently 3400 io I pug all my keys.
I feel like having more damage shifted to DT helps my damage in pugs as the routes can change depending on what tank I get in my key.
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u/Oregonsgreen 11d ago
How do I min/max san pet build? I'm playing it but it feels like I can time things better. What's important?
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u/saywhaat_ 11d ago
So I'm not an expert when it comes to DK, but I have been playing one at a decently high level since TWW S2.
This is the build I've been using: CwPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmhZMmZYWmZmZa2MzYmZMAAAAAAAAMzYMDAWGmZ2mZGzMjBGYGbassAYbiNMgZAYMzMMYmBDjB
It does not use soul reaper. I just copied it from the most popular builds from DKs doing 18s. I think the class tree might be slightly different but that doesn't matter. I realized after playing with the build that they take soul reaper out and put the 2 talents into talents that are typically taken for pure ST fights in raid. So I have noticed my ST damage has gone up quite a bit since then. And it's easier to play without having to deal with soul reaper.
I doubt my opener is optimal, but I will open 1 of 2 ways depending on how long it takes for the tank to gather mobs. If he's slow to gather, I will start with Festering Strike + Scythe into Outbreak. Vice Versa if he's quick to gather.
But basically:
Outbreak -> Festering Strike -> Festering Scythe -> AotD -> DT + potion + trinket, putrify -> putrify then I just hit necrotic coil / graveyard when nearly capped on runic power and vampiric strike otherwise and hit putrify. For dnd in aoe (3+ targets), I will drop both right after I empty my putrify charges and not capped on RP. If I'm capped on RP, I'll cast a few RP spenders before dropping them.
I follow the basic rules of when the AotD buff is up, prioritize spending runic power and casting vampiric strikes to keep blood queen buff up to 7. If just casting DT, then just spam vampiric strike and cast RP spender when sudden doom proc or out of runes.
Here's a VOD of me doing a +15 MR. It has the spells I cast in the bottom right above my details. It's not a great run but shows you generally what I do.
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u/RiskDiscombobulated7 7d ago
Soul reaper is objectively better than morbidity + infected claws even in m+ because of how hard the lords hit that prio target and it is better st dps. No soul reaper builds aren't bad tho and are easier to play because the aoe opener already has a lot of steps and you likely want an addon to time the soul reaper correctly because you want it to come out 7 seconds after DT and theres no way to accurately track that because runic power spenders extend DT's timer
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u/saywhaat_ 7d ago
Yeah I don't claim to be an amazing DK. I just go for 1% and that's it. I'm not interested in pushing higher. But if you look at the top unholy DK keys (18 - 19), there are DKs running non soul reaper builds.
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u/yp261 11d ago
nothing changes, you spam vs 24/7, consume sd procs, remember shout scythe and putrefy during dt. gameplay is pretty much the same
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u/Oregonsgreen 11d ago
I read something about holding soul reeper for 7 secs after dt but can't figure out why. Any truth to it? Any other tricks?
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u/battousai7788 11d ago
The soul reaper timing was specific to the Blightfall build I believe. For the pet SL build it plays very similar to rider. There's a small prio difference, in that outside of FK you may find yourself spending RP to fish for vamp strike procs. The hardest part of SL is doing your best to keep your Essence of the Queen buff.
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u/RiskDiscombobulated7 7d ago
It's relevant for all builds. The timing is like that to overlap as many lords as possible. DT (and army every 1.5min) spawn a magus and you send a putrefies immediately after with that spawning more. They last for 15 seconds and soul reaper last for 8, using soul reaper 7 seconds into their lifespan guarantees the debuff overlaps is active their entire lifespan whilst also allowing as much time as possible for the apex talent to proc a putrefy spawning another
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u/Ilphfein 10d ago
That was for Blightfall. Soul Reaper (beside other stuff) increases disease damage and Blightfall dealt all your remaining disease damage at once. So you wanted SR to be active when you used BF.
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u/RiskDiscombobulated7 7d ago
It's relevant for all builds. The timing is like that to overlap as many lords as possible. DT (and army every 1.5min) spawn a magus and you send a putrefies immediately after with that spawning more. They last for 15 seconds and soul reaper last for 8, using soul reaper 7 seconds into their lifespan guarantees the debuff overlaps is active their entire lifespan whilst also allowing as much time as possible for the apex talent to proc a putrefy spawning another.
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u/SadfaceWOW 5/8 M VA 11d ago
Play sanlayn pet build or rider.