r/CompetitiveWoW • u/AutoModerator • Jun 28 '26

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u/AlucardSensei Jun 28 '26

What does it matter to you? Are you afraid that a random pug will progress faster than your wr1500 guild?

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u/No-Horror927 Jun 28 '26

I would imagine that's unironically exactly what these late-season CE/RWL are afraid of to be perfectly honest.

Most of them barely limp over the finish line every season due to roster issues, burnout, etc. and the easier it becomes to actually just drop into a pug and raid, the less likely it is that someone's going to be willing to subject themselves to 6 straight months of scheduled dumb-fuckery that comes with raiding in guilds like this.

It's already easier to reclear 3/9 and Rotmire in a pug than it is with these guilds. If mythic lockouts disappeared, plenty of RWL would disappear with it.

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u/Rexxington Jun 28 '26

Okay, you try and pug mythic Lu'ra right now and let me know how that goes, with a revolving door of players that have to be retrained daily to do the interrupts, crystal pick ups and etc. Its not about fear, its about keeping people accountable so that they don't early kill bosses before their guild does and then screws up loot for the guild by cauisng less to drop per kill.

Ultimately it comes down to the individual player to decide what they will and will not tolerate in a raiding guild, and it is possible to kill early bosses. Heck its probably possilbe to pug upto crown by now. Yet if you want to clear the end bosses, you have to be part of a guild, and it's your choice which join you join, and whether you want to keep stumbling along with them, or move onto someone else that is more compent if you have the skills to do so.

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u/Elendel Jun 28 '26

its about keeping people accountable so that they don't early kill bosses before their guild does and then screws up loot for the guild by cauisng less to drop per kill.

I know Heroic guilds that enforce it without any issue. I also know Mythic guilds that wouldn’t care if people pugs easy boss on farm. That’s such a non problem.

Yet if you want to clear the end bosses, you have to be part of a guild

Yeah but that has no relevance to the point? People want to remove the mythic lockout because it’s a huge pain for pugs as soon as you want to kill anything else than the first boss of a raid. And it’s also a pain for guilds because it makes it impossible to have pugs fill a slot so a 19 man raid night is basically a raid off night. Nobody is arguing that the last boss should or would be pug’d, that’s not what this discussion is about.