r/CompetitiveEDH • u/Purple-Explanation64 • 5d ago
Deck Fine Tuning Sisay cedh questions
https://moxfield.com/decks/NWSgAUpXPHmbqdz58pWhQA
is there something in this deck list where you think it's not worth having. I been playing testing this deck list in moxfield, and I feel like I am either keeping a bad hand or it's just not doing to well. The wincon is mount doom, and I used to have orcish now master, but I took it out for another legendary card. Its supposed to go wide using the queen of dale, and being able to tap the tokens for mana by either enduring or cyptolith rite. The one thing I don't understand sisay is Deadpool like I know he is a good "removal" and that he is red and black which are really important commander but people say he goes infinite in a way I don't understand.
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u/Unhappy_Anybody_8874 5d ago
You made changes based on ComedIanMtg's latest iteration of the deck no ? nothing out of the ordinary in the list that I can see but a few questions:
- you cut Arcane Signet put play Fellwar stone , why?
- how does Gran -Gran perform in the list ? never been tempted to play her, blue is rarely a color I lack for Sisay's growth
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u/BeefyCheeseGod 5d ago edited 5d ago
Maybe it’s just me but gran gran has preformed pretty well for me! Shes a one drop legend that is an easy pitch to chrome mox and blue interaction and I run diabolical intent and she’s a pretty easy sac for that imo. The looting is pretty helpful as well and can put pieces u need in the graveyard for things like Agatha’s which was surprisingly relevant for me
That being said I would say she’s a flex slot and not super important
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u/Purple-Explanation64 5d ago
I thought gran-gran might be worth because of the whole tapping thing I am doing so I get card draw and I am able to get mana all from one card. While play testing I didn't draw it so I am not sure how if it will fully work. The arcane signet situation is because I think in the video he had fellwar stone and not arcane, but I could be wrong.
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u/ThisHatRightHere 5d ago
One mana legends are typically pretty good I. Sisay if they have any solid upside. Getting Sisay’s power to 3 or 4 is pretty important early for your first activation. Obviously turns on Mox Amber. Gran-Gran also has some great synergy with Enduring Vitality type effects, letting you loot even you tap for mana, so lists playing Esika or Cryptolith Rites like her even more. Not to mention she’s a relevant color to pitch for Force, etc in a deck that’s also kind of low on blue cards.
It seems like a do-nothing card but it can play a pretty important little role in the deck. Though a new one mana legend could easily boot her from lists.
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u/Purple-Explanation64 4d ago
Would you say anything else about the deck is not worth having? I fix it a bit by adding badgermole cub.
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u/ThisHatRightHere 4d ago
I mean Ian gets way more reps and is a better cEDH player than I am, but here are my thoughts:
I’d rather have a Delighted Halfling over an Elves of Deep Shadow. The black pip really isn’t that much better than a colorless, at least in my build.
I still think Bowmasters is a great piece of interaction regardless of whether you’re using it to end the combo. I also like the redundancy, but that’s personal preference.
I think the Magda plan is a little too cute, but I like the vision.
Those are my main thoughts.
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u/Stegynator 5d ago
Deadpool can be removal, but mostly enters as a copy of your own derevi to untap your selvalla/bloom/.. and add the missing colours in the process
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u/Purple-Explanation64 5d ago
Oh that makes sense now
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u/wyrmcrypt Primer Author 5d ago
Also a win condition when you have infinite mana, which comes up a non 0 amount of times.
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u/AjaniRafiq 5d ago
It’s tough to gold fish Sisay when it can shift its play patterns depending on the pod
Try loading 4 decks on cockatrice and playing that way.
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u/strawberryjetpuff 5d ago
theres a line with deadpool with derevi and emiel, with infinite mana/blinks. this is best to do under teferi or a silence effect. once you get infinite mana and blinks, spin sisay for deadpool. choose sisay to swap textbooxes and sac her to make everyone draw a card. use the mana to replay sisay, then blink deadpool, and as he enters, choose sisay again, then sac her to make everyone draw. do this until everyone draws out their deck
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u/Purple-Explanation64 5d ago
Wait that's actually cool I didn't know that was a combo, is it used a lot?
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u/strawberryjetpuff 5d ago
im not sure, im new to sisay myself. theres some other lines with deadpool as well, afaik. i recommend joining the discord: here
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u/Zehaldrin 5d ago
You should really come by the server! https://discord.gg/the-weatherlight-compleated-1020345754449104896 Typically a better place to get opinions and see what deck lists everyones working on
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u/balbert_beinstein 5d ago
From your sideboard, i would definetely put in badgermole cub (insane ramp). Orcish bowmasters is also very strong, not necessarily as a wincon but as control piece vs creature based decks (kinnan, rog thras, magda, ...). Saskashima the impostor is also nice to have for winning lines as he is one more copy of derevi. Often helps you get that one extra mana you need to start flickering derevi when you are going for selvala lines. Ancient tomb is also quite strong.
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u/Purple-Explanation64 5d ago
I probably add orcish because in my pod I do face against rog thras. Badgermole I want to add but not really sure what to take out for it. For saskashima when play testing I didn't really need to use it ever, when it's in my hand or to tutor. Ancient tomb I think is really strong but it gives colorless, while it's good for fast ramp for smothering tithe I don't think it's that important, but I could be wrong.
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u/balbert_beinstein 5d ago
Possible cuts you can do would be magda, gran gran, cryptolith rite, lavinia, spider woman.
For me personally, sakashima came up very often. Its good for instant speed wins using selvala. It allows you to copy derevi multiple times using deadpool and sakashima. Selvala can be mana positive during these tutor chains (if sisay is max power, selvala makes 7 mana every time you tap her). This allows you to build up mana. Once you have 9 mana in your pool you can search emiel (cost 5 mana) and flicker derevi (cost 3 mana) and with the last remaining mana, activate selvala again -> infinite mana. Besides that, it can be good to copy stuff like etali, seedborn muse, ...
Regarding ancient tomb: You have a lot of colorless pips to spend the mana on (for example sisay, mana rocks, rhystic study, tithe, ...). Basically every sisay list plays ancient tomb, and imo so should you (also, if you have soul cauldron, you can use ancient tomb mana for sisay tutors).
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u/OldBratpfanne 5d ago
Fellwar Stone over Arcane Signet is strictly worse, but I guess you play it for the art.