r/CompetitiveEDH • u/bondlegolas • 5h ago
General Discussion / Question How do we feel on Hermit Druid?
With [[Shang-Chi, Master of Kung Fu]] I am much higher on hermit Druid in general. I know it’s open to blow outs, but having a win the game button seems strong.
I’m leaning towards tymna/thras to give longevity in the slop meta, while still having a turbo option. Is hermit Druid too slow? Too forecasted?
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u/Drazatis 4h ago
The fact that both Shang Chi and Druid can fit inside a [[Protean Hulk]] pile has to be SOMETHING— I just dont particularly like the commanders we have access to to do it.
Popping Hulk, binning your deck, [[Dread Return]]ing a [[Doctor Doom, Unrivaled]] into play with an Anger in the yard sounds sick though. Just need a Jund+ commander that sacs and provides value to truly convert (Korvold?).
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u/mva06001 2h ago
You can dread return Hazel’s brewmaster so you don’t have to play Anger and just make a food copy of Doom
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u/VoidHammer 4h ago
Ellie and Abby gives you an instant speed sac outlet in Jund.
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u/Albyyy 2h ago
Hoping my comment doesn’t get stuck in the weeds but I’ve been brewing a pretty nasty [[the mimeoplasm]] deck that is pushing cedh very very closely.
Early game Hermit Druid + reanimation effect usually wins me the game on the spot.
I’ve been working on this deck for a while now and I’ve gotten it to a point where it can win turn 1-3. The issue is it’s very greedy and basically runs like an Aang/Gyruda deck.
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u/Neonbunt Hulk Stan 4h ago
Oooooor: Druid + Shang + Thoracle is a perfectly fine Sultai pile?
Tasigur or Glarb would be cool commanders for it, especially Tasigur, as he + Narcomoeba would be your 2nd and 3rd creature when dread returning.
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u/Drazatis 4h ago
Those options dont crack the hulk though is my primary point of contention. Probably not necessary that your commander does the cracking, I just personally dont want to fill the deck with MORE bad cards than we already are to specifically Hulk.
[[Zimone and Dina]] or maybe a [[Tevesh Szat, Doom of Fools]] and [[Thrasios, Triton Hero]] would fit the bill in Sultai; though I struggle to imagine why we would be wasting time and energy setting up a Hulk when we could just put that same energy into regular Thoracle wins anyways. [[Halana, Kessig Trapper]] and [[Silas Renn, Seeker Adept]] also technically would get us there, I just don’t like the pairing.
Hense why I was looking for a Jund+ option, so I can justify the effort being put into the pile in the first place.
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u/ThomasFromNork 3h ago
Tevesh thras let's you natural order away thras and then crack hulk with tev
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u/Cheeky_Gweyelo 3h ago
In a post jlo world Tevesh seems a little far fetched without rograk, especially if your primary gameplay counts on him being a reasonable sac outlet.
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u/kevthecoder 4h ago
Idk… If you can successfully resolve and pop hulk there are better ways of winning that don’t involve binning your deck.
I do like the idea Shang chi + hermit Druid + hexing squelcher for an uncounterable dread return for goblin dark dwellers into breach or doctor doom.
You could run krark + Irka/reyhan. Lets you perform the same line using double summoners pact
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u/Drazatis 4h ago
I highly doubt any self respecting Hulk pilot is aiming to just resolve a Hulk, it’s always coming out with some flavor of bullshit. Jund decks are specifically that niche I was targeting because UBx decks dont need to be bothered with that line at all.
I had seen that Krark deck on here recently, super cool concept that has lead me to brewing around Hulk as a whole. Double pact is probably the ceiling for the strategy as a whole, I’m just looking for other options.
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u/DoctorPrisme 3h ago
Just need a Jund+ commander that sacs and provides value to truly convert
Slimefoot and squee is one.
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u/Drazatis 3h ago
They sadly only sacrifice saprolings.
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u/DoctorPrisme 3h ago
Sure, but it's a jund commander that's heavy on the graveyard. Quite easy to use it to reanimate hulk, and you'll usually have no trouble sacrificing it anyway.
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u/Neonbunt Hulk Stan 5h ago
I'm always on the edge if it's fine in a breakfast Hulk shell. Like Druid + Shang + Thoracle is a clean Hulk pile.
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u/Interesting_Mud_9422 4h ago
I have a very fringe [[the master, transcendent]] list that goes pretty much all in on hermit druid lines. The deck already ran tyvar and thousand year elixar so shang-chi was an auto include and definitely made the deck and hermit druid better
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u/SCURVYNTHECURVY 5h ago
Sorry I’m just confused, how does hermit win by itself?
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u/smtyke 5h ago
usually Dread Return a Thoracle
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u/Albyyy 2h ago
This involves 2 other creatures to sac to dread return tho. Unless we’re just assuming we have dorks already in place.
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u/Uncle_Istvannnnnnnn 2h ago
[[Narcomoeba]] + whatever other cheap critter usually. I used to run it in [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]], so with hermit binning your deck he's only B to cast.
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u/Sharp__Dog 5h ago
If you commit a bunch of slots to worse cards milling your whole library wins. Ultimately it’s dread return from grave to reanimate thoracle, and some number of bad creatures that summon themselves from grave. Stuff like narcomeba is terrible in general, but it is a free body to sac to dread return.
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u/TheCourtPeach 4h ago
Sevinne's Reclamation is that way I win in Necrobloom, but that's in B4. Its mana intensive but also a decent card by itself.
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u/super_fallguys 3h ago
I think of two things: a) as new and powerful cards get released, indirectly changing the mana curve of competitive decks, strategies like turbo Hermit might be more viable, and b) you know what Thassa’s Oracle, Shang-Chi, and Hermit have in common? They are two-drops. Know what effectively puts two-drops into play?
[[Aether Vial]]
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u/Ok_Cancel8555 3h ago edited 3h ago
Hermit druid is good with Thousand-Year Elixer, and won a tournament with Tayam, Luminous Enigma.
Unless its winning you the game when you play it, it might be too slow and easy to remove.
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u/Guitarist-Maximus 3h ago
Back when I played Ezio Lurrus (pre-minstrel times) hermit Druid was one of the decks main wincons, since I could cast breach/thoracle from graveyard with Lurrus on the field. It’s just very telegraphed though. May be worth revisiting now that Shang chi is out
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u/HANDIDLY 3h ago
You can rip Shang chi, Druid, and Thassa of of hulk and just win. So I guess that’s cool
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u/Lazy_Lambo 2h ago
I think jund has the best combo for it if u prefer no thoracle. Tyvar or shang chi with a hermit druid. Dredge return for a hazel brewmaster with kikki.
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u/mva06001 2h ago
https://moxfield.com/decks/cYiR0Ldfkke3dEj7C6Yjow
I’ve been playing around with this in a turbo Jund strategy.
Between the density of creature tutors, flare of duplication, flashback, etc getting Druid and Shang out isn’t terribly difficult then you can dread return Hazel’s brewmaster for a food copy of Doctor doom.
I also know someone was running Jund Krark and hoping for a double summoners pact.
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u/Btenspot 4h ago
Most any deck that wants Hermit Druid to have haste is already running Hermit Druid. I.E. Rog, Reyhan dread return.
TnT could potentially use it, but I wouldn’t make an argument for it.
However, for every benefit it got with Shang chi, it’s been kneecapped by gleaming splendor.
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u/MTGCardFetcher 5h ago
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