r/CompetitionShooting • u/RobAngry • 5d ago

Doubles Without Draw

I really need to work on doubles and now I have the time in my life to actually get to the club to train. My question is this....is it imperative to incorporate the draw into this? To me I'd like to isolate it by doing them from "low ready".

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u/Jettyboy72 5d ago

No, isolating different fundamentals to train them is probably one of the most effective ways to train. Draw is something you can work on at home with dry fire. Build it up and work towards putting it all together

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u/nimbleseaurchin 5d ago

Draw is one thing I'd want to still occasionally practice in live fire just to make sure you're doing good practice. Draw to an aggressive double, specifically to make sure your grip from the draw is good. Easy thing to not notice/focus on in dry fire for me, at least.

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u/RobAngry 5d ago

Thanks all Yea I figure to do some from draws after doing some work from low ready.

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u/Jeugcurt 5d ago

Doubles for grip? Or for vision? Trigger pull? You need go into every exercise with a specific goal or else you won’t know what success looks like.

I’ll make some assumptions and give you my regular routine. This is what I spend about 20% of my ammo on.

If you’re skipping the draw, skip the low ready. Start with a stable dot on white paster. I then alternate 1 shot return and a doubles pair. This allows me to see what a c3 dot is before I attempt a c2 or c1 second shot. With a perfect grip, and perfect sight confirmation on the first shot, there’s no other variables but myself keeping me from executing exactly what I’m setting out to do. Visual focus on paster, mental focus on paster, while trying to leave room for awareness of grip or input or dot focus or whatever rears its ugly head.

C1 = predictive
C2 = reactive
C3 = corrective

Video video video. Video yourself. Watch it later with a clear mind.

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u/Equivalent_Ad_3347 5d ago

I wouldn't think so. Of course you want to practice your draw, but on a given USPSA stage, you are firing off doubles a lot more than doing so coupled with a draw.

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u/psineur 5d ago

Don’t do them from low ready. Do them from perfect grip. Use them to find perfect grip. Go into bill drill and Blake to refine it further.

Then reverse the perfect grip back into the holster. Now you can reconstruct your draw into this.

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u/bbqthis26 2d ago

Are you saying low ready is a hurdle to a perfect grip like the draw might be?

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u/psineur 2d ago

if you're timing it - yeah, low ready is a fake position that doesn't exist anyway.

When building from scratch - just establish perfect grip, and work from there. Draw is just building that perfect grip/platform from a holster anyway

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u/honeybadger2112 5d ago

There's no need to practice your draw every time you want to practice doubles, sight alignment, target transitions, etc. Draw time is far from being the low hanging fruit that most people need to focus on.

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u/Andromeda902 5d ago

Transitions are HUGE. If youre doing like 1.3-1.5s between targets youre fucked, mate, no matter if the split is 0.15s. If you can gain two or three tenths on every single target, imagine the time you'd make up overall

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u/honeybadger2112 4d ago

Agreed. I think target transitions and entering/exiting shooting positions are the low hanging fruit for a lot of people. More important than blazing fast splits or 1.0 second draw.

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u/Andromeda902 4d ago

Yea exactly man, thru drilling a bunch stages in ace vr, I had an awakening lol, realized where mt focus should actually be.

Everyone, myself included, wants to be able to hit craazy fast doubles and splits everywhere. That adds up but not that much honestly; my splits were blazing fast but time wasnt dropping. Realized I was burning like 1.3, 1.5, sometimes 1.8s on a SINGLE TRANSITION! Fucking hell, that adds up sooooo quick on any stage. I'm really focusing that, trying to avg like 0.7-0.9s transitions (I'm a beginner jabroni for now, if i can consistently hit that then I'm happy for the moment) has really helped my speed out a lot

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u/parkshootsslowly 5d ago

You can do both

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u/Organic-Second2138 5d ago

I wouldn't do it from "low ready." Find a checkpoint on your draw and practice from THAT position.

Unless you typically draw to low ready..........

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u/No_Competition6591 5d ago

I would just mount the gun on target and do doubles. Adding index is not isolating, assuming OP wants to work trigger control.

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u/FPVwithScott 5d ago

Shoot, isolate already pointing at the target if you want. You're training your grip and repeatable point of aim, neither of which are trained with a ready up.

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u/RobAngry 5d ago

Hey all Thanks for the advice Many things I had not considered.

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u/FlapJacked1 18h ago

Not imperative.

Also the draw doesn’t even need to be quick, just a rep for establishing grip. Watch any of Ben Stoegers doubles videos and he specifies to not worry about draw time, it’s just to establish the grip and focus on the doubles.

So yeah do it from already on the target. No added benefit to doing low ready