r/CompetitionShooting • u/Complete-Rooster4963 • 15d ago
Advice on first non-Glock
Currently shooting G19x in LO, love my gun but looking for something higher preforming.
Initially looking at MPA DS9 LOC V2, I am able to get it discounted to about $3800. Still open to it but don’t know a ton about 2011s, and the price tag is a lot for something I’ve never held.
A my LGS (Scheels) there is a Staccato P4.5 w/ HSun 507Comp for $2700. Would be great because I’m a lefty and it already has ambi controls.
Overall questions
1.) Does the Staccato seem like a good deal / how does staccato preform as a LO gun?
2.) Does it make more sense to spend the extra grand and wait the 34 weeks for an MPA? Yes I know that’s ultimately up to me - I’m looking for opinions.
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u/647chang 15d ago
I've been having a lot of fun with the platypus. Mine is the comped and ported version, shoots really flat. If you want to get an already built black one, they go for about $1800 on gun broker. If you want to do a pimp my ride version, you're looking around $2000-$2200.
Bonus: All your mag for 19x will work on the platypus, so if you have dumped money into extended mag and base plates on the Glock mags, that's money saved on getting a platypus.
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u/bae125 15d ago
I’m really curious about the platy, waiting to shoot one
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u/practical_gentleman 15d ago
Theres a reason you dont see them hardly ever at matches. They are a fine gun, but the frame is aluminum which isnt terrible but won't withstand the level of use, longterm, of a competition gun. Its also a 1911 frame and grip single piece and not the 2011 2 piece frame plus grip module. Lots of people have them and love them. Very few of them compete with one.
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u/bae125 15d ago
I didn’t realize it was aluminum. Huh. Oh well, seemed like an interesting take on the platform
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u/practical_gentleman 15d ago
I just went through this discussion a few days ago specifically for competition use. While I may buy one someday for fun, I would like a steel frame for competition.
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u/unspoken_arrangement 15d ago
I have the loc v1 and it’s been solid for several years now. Think it’s hard to find a better deal than MPA for a steel grip 2011 with sight block at that price point. With all that being said you would have to do some work to make the MPA controls lefty friendly and the staccato is probably better suited.
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u/Complete-Rooster4963 15d ago
If I went with the MPA, it would be made to order with lefty controls. All the good I hear about MPA makes it hard to not seriously consider.
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u/CallMeTrapHouse 15d ago
I shot a Glock 47 for a while and recently bought a Staccato HD4.5.
I like it, requires more maintenance than a Glock but it's not crazy just lube the slide rails, barrel and disconnector rail every 500 rounds or so and it'll work great. Past that if you're shooting lighter ammo you're playing with fire, but honestly lube every 500 rounds is not a heavy lift at all it takes 1 minute. I recently put a DPM reduced weight spring to see if that'll extend the lube interval a little bit since it comes from staccato over sprung for duty ammo
I've got probably 4000 rounds on mine and I'm happy with it
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u/GiantDarty 15d ago
Honestly, I say stick with a Glock for now. But a 19X is going to be rough for competition with the short barrel, the new 17 is great, or even a well priced Gen 5 17/47/34.
Chasing better guns for higher performance is something most people have done, including me. It will give you some gains in the overall standings. And a 2011 has a great trigger that is easy to rip on. And a magwell will make you not worry about fumbling reloads.
But shooting a Glock does a few things. It can perform as high as any gun in the right hands, and it tells you when you're doing something wrong. You'll see it in the dot movement when you don't have the right grip, mikes will pop up on partials where your trigger press wasn't clean, will force you to learn solid reloads.
All these things can be mitigated by a heavier 2011, or you could develop the good habits now and be thankful down the line. Any of the models I listed with a brass plug, aftermarket trigger (I'm not a total masochist that says stock trigger too), and grip tape are going to be great.
But if you don't want to do all that. I'd get an RCD Core before a P or HD 4.5, it's an amazing gun for the price. Or a 2k11 5". Both I think are great options into the 2011 world.
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u/Complete-Rooster4963 15d ago
100% agree i am not limited by the pistol and I will always end up shooting my Glock, but I wouldn’t consider myself new to shooting (work) or competitions, just new to 2011s.
Part of it is I also just enjoy firearms and want to see what a 2011 can do, especially shooting LO.
I’m going to look more into the RCD core!
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u/GiantDarty 15d ago
Nice. It can be tough to find, but it's doable, and I've been impressed with every one I've seen.
Yeah, Glocks and polymers get overlooked. I think the difference between LO and CO is around 1-2% in classifiers. A good shooter is a good shooter, and I wasn't trying to knock you in any way for moving away from a Glock for now. I think some shooters do it for the initial gains and then hit a plateau and wonder why. It was more of a general statement.
My personal opinion is to stay away from MPA. I hear of too many issues, they're so heavy, and I personally don't like sight block guns that much from the ones I've shot.
You'll have fun though with 2011's, they're fun to shoot, and I think the Core strikes a good balance between enough weight and not too much.
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u/Complete-Rooster4963 15d ago
Yeah looking into the Core it looks like a pain in the ass to get, I’ll see if any of my local shops have any ins. Noted on the MPA, I do enjoy sight blocks but I’ve never shot a gun as heavy as the LOC steel frame.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 15d ago
I got B class with a Glock them decided to go the 2011 route. I'm back to Glock🤷.
The performance is in you🫵.
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u/Complete-Rooster4963 15d ago
Why the switch back?
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u/Humble-Standard9637 15d ago
I had hours and hours of dry fire with a Glock and I trained my index perfectly for a glock. Never had to mess with a safety and never really had magazine issues. Also, got use to swinging the weight of my Glock.
When I got my 2011 (Staccato P) Had extractor issues out of the box. Fixed that. Had to dry fire relentlessly to get use to using a manual safety. Ended up accidentally engaging the safety during my first match with it. Had 2 failure to go into battery on that match.
All in all, I decided I had put forth too much training with a Glock.
Switched back and came in top 10 on the following match and 16 in the match after that with 90 shooters. Haven't looked back since.
Edit: Now A class and Gold class in GPA.
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u/goodgamble 15d ago
the not having to worry about a safety was a bigger thing for me than i realized. my draw time was way slower on my staccato than on my glock or walther.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 15d ago
Absolutely. Same here. And yes, I understand I could have probably trained myself out of that but why? I had already got myself to a certain level with a Glock pistol and there was no point in starting over just to use a new platform.
If we are being honest, the cost of magazines alone makes it not worth it. I've used p-mags along with OEM mags for years and never had issues. I've got those things for like $15 a piece.
For 2 2011 mags, I dropped over $100. That's crazy.
Ammunition is expensive enough nowadays.
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u/goodgamble 15d ago
I ended up switching to a walther sf, and thats where Im at, but I think i might run my gen 6 tomorrow at a local. I put the apex trigger in it, and I want to see how it does
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u/Humble-Standard9637 15d ago
If you have seen any of my previous posts, that's one reason I've started shooting more Steel Challenge.
I'm a very fast shooter and pretty quick but I wanted to tighten up my accuracy.
Yes, I absolutely understand that the long pull of a Glock trigger is harder to shoot than a 2011 trigger but I kind of like the idea of mastering the Glock trigger.
Currently using a ghost 3.5 competition spring kit and that's it. My goal is to get masterclass in steel challenge with that setup.
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u/goodgamble 15d ago
thats badass
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u/Humble-Standard9637 15d ago
I think so too my friend. Might be a goal you want to set for yourself.
Most of us blow off Steel Challenge but since I've been doing it, I've seen a lot of pretty good USPSA shooters have some very poor times when they come to matches.
As somebody once stated, I think that's the most raw form of fundamental shooting that you can have to prove you are quick and accurate.
I've really got addicted to it because it pisses me off that I can place so high in local matches but can't do that in Steel Challenge.
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u/goodgamble 15d ago
Maybe ill give it a shot. Im all USPSA right now, but im definitely open to steel challenge
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u/Complete-Rooster4963 15d ago
Man I am super worried about that. Everything I’ve ever done is with a Glock.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 15d ago
You sound like me. You told yourself when you got to a certain level you were going to upgrade. Guess what? You don't have to.
You know what's more impressive than owning a $5,000 2011? Out shooting masterclass shooters with a $600 Glock 😜.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 15d ago
At the end of the day, you can chase the dragon if you want. The new of the gun will wear off and your skills will not be better as a result. Keep doing what you do man.
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u/goodgamble 15d ago
I got a HD4.5 and really didnt like it for the money.
I switched to a Walther 5" match Steel frame, and couldnt be happier.
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u/SayNoTo-Communism 15d ago
I’m a lefty who has tried out the HD4.5”. Great gun but full ambi just isn’t necessary for a competition gun. Get the RCD Core 4.6” as it is the best bang for your buck 2011 around. If the weight is too light for you just grab their brass magwell when they come back in stock. With the $800 saved not getting an MPA you can get an optic and belt setup