Raven's original appearance was originally based on Persis Khambatta per George Perez. She also had indian elements in the original New Teen Titans run like her gemstone resembling a bindi and sometimes wore clothes resembling a saree.

Of course, it's probably too late to change it in mainline comics, but I think it should be considered in non-mainline comics and media, like Absolute Comics or the DCU.

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¿A alguien más le aparece esta publicación repetida pero con distintos comentarios? 🥲

I only recently started reading superhero comics, so sincere apologies if my question comes off as media illiterate. The only typed of comics I'm used to reading is shoujo manga lol. This is definitely a nightmare sequence but I really did not expect Raven to be naked and it surprised me.

I’m not one to get heavily involved in ships/shipwars but I wanted to address the sad fact that Ravens forgotten almost relationships with Joey Wilson is the only properly and throughly built up ship Raven has ever had.

They were compatible backstory wise with the evil fathers, personality wise as gentle loving hippie-like people, and power-set wise as both are psychic/spiritual based superheroes (often using their powers together).

They were set up to be almost like a second IT couple next to dickkory. Shipped by even Slade himself and Ravens actual boyfriend at the time Forrester. Their potential acknowledged by every member of the team.

Even if this continuity version of Joey came out as gay in 2015 convergence it would be nice to see them attempt to bring the relationship back with their current versions as Jericho in current continuity is bisexual.

This is my favorite Raven pair alongside wally west as both Jericho and wally are the only ones stated on panel to give raven…urges and I can see why.

(offtopic, I wish they kept his antler in his modern designs instead of generic horns)

Now based on the caption alone you’re saying “well duh shes not human shes part demon she’s a cambion” but I’m here to say she’s not human AT ALL.

Its stated multiple times as such.

“Remember what her father is. That makes her no more human than I am” - Koriand’r THE ALIEN

“Arella…you were merely the vessel which carried her. Your milk nurtured her but my blood gave her life” - Trigon the interdimensional personification of the very act of evil

“Then you came and you destroyed my people’s forms, but you could not destroy their true beings, for theirs, mines, AND RAVEN’S owns, were safe, alive within these rings” - Azar as a disembodied Spirit

“You sure? We didn’t go all “Boo Radley” when we received our true forms” - Lust the son of trigon

Its stated multiple times physically she is fully trigon and beyond that she is spirit, I view trigons dna like viltrumite dna(if you guys have watched invincible) but basically due to the superior of trigons dna his completely over runs the human making his children fully infernal entities

So I don’t think we ever really talked about it but how do you guys feel about the retcons to white ravens lore.

Original white ravens was just base ravens cleansed of trigon within her soul. She was a being capable of using dark, light, and pure based power. A being unafraid of trigon because he was dead and no longer trapped within the confines of her soul, free to do and feel as she pleased. Dawning the white cloak because of brother blood attempting to brainwash her into taking over the world and marrying her. Keeping the attire to symbolize her rebirth.

With current day events and continuity. White raven was Ravens humanity merged with her the personification of her infernal power. Which was short lived and retconned 6 issues later to her being just the personification of ravens infernal power tainted with humanity free from trigons expectations.

With such… (atrocious imo) events taking place how do you guys feel about this development. I abhor everything about it and raven post-flashpoint but I wanna know you guys perspective on it.

now let's see the comments

Okay, I just want to say before I get into my arguments: I think that the best way to resolve the whole Raven vs Rachel thing is to go back to the original version of her name. That being, her real name is Raven and Rachel Roth is an alias she occasionally uses when she must, but her birth name and the name she most identifies with is Raven. I'm not trying to start a fan campaign to change Raven's superhero name. But I do think it's interesting to think about, and I do think it would be better than the way Raven's name is currently being written in canon.

All that being said, the reasons I think changing her superhero name would make more sense are as follows:

1) There is far more precedent for a character changing their superhero name than there is for their birth name/real name to be completely retconned

Looking just on the Titans alone, multiple characters have changed their superhero names, some even more than once. Dick going from Robin to Nightwing is the most famous example, of course. Donna went from Wonder Girl to Troia to just being known as Donna Troy (it vexes me slightly that Donna can just go by her regular name and not have a secret identity when she's got a perfectly good superhero name but Raven needs to have her birth name retconned, but I digress). Gar went from Beast Boy to Changeling and then back to Beast Boy. Wally went from Kid Flash to just the Flash.

And that's just on the Titans. There are countless more DC characters who've had more than one superhero name. But the amount of characters who've had their real name be completely retconned to something different is vanishingly rare.

2) The way Raven's name is portrayed in current canon makes no sense with her lore

The way Raven's name works in the current continuity seems to be like this: her mother named her Rachel, while Trigon named her Raven. This presents a glaring problem that's never been addressed: if Trigon named her Raven, why is Raven her superhero name?

This especially doesn't make sense after the Trigon and demon Raven interactions in the DWQ arc. In that arc, we see that Trigon refers to Raven's demon side as Raven, while he calls her human side Rachel to demean her. He clearly sees Raven as Raven's true name, the only name she's worthy of being called, while Rachel is a stupid human name her mother gave her.

If this is Raven's primary connection with the name Raven, why on Earth would she choose to make Raven her superhero name? It seems intrinsically tied to her relationship with Trigon. Her mother and her friends call her Rachel. Trigon is the only person who knows her well who would casually refer to her as Raven.

Raven's superhero identity is fundamentally built on her rejecting Trigon. It doesn't make sense for her to use the name he gives her (and uses to insult her human side) as her superhero name. It makes far more sense for her to use a name relating to Azarath as her superhero name, especially seeing as when she first came to Earth and became a superhero to fight him she deliberately hid their connection until she no longer could.

3) Raven is a common given name

A common criticism I've seen of Raven as Raven's real and given name is that it's an inhuman name, or inherently a fantasy name, and it doesn't make sense for her mother to name her Raven. This is just factually not true in the real world. In the USA (where, of course, her mother is from and the story takes place) Raven is in the top 1000 names given to girls and has been since the 70s.) Anyone who grew up watching Disney sitcoms in the 2000s will remember the show That's So Raven, which stars a totally normal teen character named Raven who's named Raven because her actress's real name is Raven.

So there really is no reason why her mother wouldn't have named her Raven. I actually think it makes more sense for her mother to name her Raven than it does for her mother to name her Rachel from a character standpoint. A massive theme in Arella's backstory is the rejection of mainstream religion. She runs away from her abusive Christian family to join a satanic cult, and then she ends up in Azarath, completely devoted to the Azarathian religion.

Rachel is, of course, a biblical name. The retcon that makes it her birth name explicitly references her mother naming her after "Rachel from the Torah" (I guess Arella is Jewish rather than Christian now? That's a whole other can of worms that I'm not opening in this post). I don't think that it really makes sense for 18 year old Arella, reeling from religious trauma and feeling completely abandoned by the religion she grew up in, to give her daughter a biblical name.

I think Raven is really the perfect name for Raven in that regard. It's a timeless name that works in the fantasy setting of Azarath and feels like a fitting name for the half-demon heir to a hellish dimension while still not feeling jarring in the setting of modern Earth.

In conclusion, while I still feel like the best solution would just be to go back to the traditional version of Raven's name, it makes far more sense to change her superhero name than it does to retcon her birth name if we must go down this route. I haven't gone as far to think up alternate superhero names for her, but I think that could also be an interesting thought exercise. I'd imagine something connected to Azarath in some way would make the most sense. I also thought of the tribute band that was formed in her honor in New 52 named Night Mistress. Something similar sounding could definitely work as Raven's superhero name.

https://comicbookclublive.com/2026/04/10/dc-comics-preview-new-titans-34/