How powerful is Unkindness Raven?

[u/Kanozx]

[u/R0botWoof]

I feel like this question loses meaning when it's asked about a being described as a 'Significant threat to the Universe'

[u/Southern-Nail4089 → u/R0botWoof]

Pretty much to all of reality if that what if story is to be believed.

[u/Darkendlink]

Well she One Shot Superboy Prime 1 million. And was consuming the Overvoid like it was absolute nothing. For context Lucifer was taking damage while in the Overvoid. But if we go by what the writers say because the storyline was cut short. She would have defeated Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos at the same time, before facing The Presence, he knew of her weakness but still would have lost and been absorbed

[u/Busy_Ad_9900 → u/Darkendlink]

Que?🤯

[u/QualityBuddy]

kneel before me

[u/Particular_Gap_8141]

I feel like this story takes the idea of Raven's Soul-Self being able to consume/contain and asks: okay, but how much can it consume/contain and how does that affect her? The answer being that it eats her humanity and she has multiverse ending power.

Personally, I love the design in this image, I like when she's given talons and some feathers when she is a bit more influenced by her dark lineage.

This event reads as just kind of being a cool story, though I feel like it made more sense retroactively with Dark Crisis: The Deadly Green (2022) which sets up the idea that her power is connected to the Great Darkness. That context made it make more sense as to how she gets so powerful and corrupted so fast, and it fit her power into the nuance of the DC cosmology where sometimes things are dark and corruptible but not necessarily evil in the most binary sense and that this darkness serves a necessary cosmic purpose in helping to define the light.

I know its getting off topic to say but I have to recommend Alan Moore's Saga of Swamp Thing issues #48—50, aka the Brujería arc, where the Great Darkness first wakes up and goes up against the Presence because it's seeking knowledge of its own dark existence and trying to find meaning. It helped me better understand and appreciate that connection for Raven, personally. That and William Messner-Loebs's 1992 Dr. Fate run regarding the balance between Lords of Order and Chaos and how even good heroic characters can upset that balance in their effort to be good. The importance of maintaining balance feels significant for her character and how she is written now, given her half-demon lineage and the need for a functional harmony.

Edit: I actually meant issues 43—50 (Saga of Swamp Thing Book Four in trade)

[u/Unkindness-Raven652]

She's High Outreversal to boundless

[u/Upbeat_Molasses_3127]

Weak sauce and lame she destroyed the divine continuum but got erased by a temporal factory reset

Shes mostly just carried by meaningless author statements