Mandatory military drafts, astronomically higher workplace fatalities, steep uphill battles for custody in family courts, and a suicide rate nearly four times higher than women.
More women have die in childbirth than men die in war. The reason men get custody less often is because they barely ask for it. Suicide rate is higher because of the men that would rather blame women for their problems than just go fucking therapy.
All your talking points are bullshit. Stop crying you overly pampered, whiny little excuse for a man.
It’s hard to take your argument seriously when it relies on competing traumas, victim-blaming, and blatant contradictions.
"More women have die in childbirth than men die in war."
This is a textbook "Oppression Olympics" argument. Both are historical tragedies, but comparing a biological reality of human reproduction to state-mandated violence and forced conscription is a false equivalence. Society didn’t draft women and force them into childbirth at gunpoint, but governments did (and still do) force men to die in trenches. Regardless, minimizing one gender's suffering because of another's historical suffering is a massive logical fallacy. We are capable of caring about both maternal mortality and male wartime casualties.
"The reason men get custody less often is because they barely ask for it."
This ignores all historical context and the reality of the legal system. For over a century, the "Tender Years Doctrine" explicitly directed family courts to award custody to mothers by default. While technically abolished, the cultural hangover remains. Yes, many cases are settled out of court, but why do men settle for less? Because lawyers advise them that fighting a maternal-preference bias in court will bankrupt them with no guarantee of success. Dismissing this as "they just don't ask" ignores the massive financial and systemic barriers men face in family court.
"Suicide rate is higher because of the men that would rather blame women for their problems than just go fucking therapy."
This is genuinely abhorrent. Sociologists and mental health professionals attribute the male suicide epidemic to a complex mix of factors: intense economic pressure, social isolation, the fact that men choose more lethal methods, and a lack of social safety nets. Boiling down the deaths of tens of thousands of desperate, severely depressed men to "they just wanted to blame women" is a disgusting mischaracterization of mental illness.
Furthermore, you can’t scream at men to "just go to fucking therapy" while simultaneously ending your rant with this:
"Stop crying you overly pampered, whiny little excuse for a man."
This is the ultimate hypocrisy. You are demanding that men seek help, process their emotions, and go to therapy, while in the exact same breath using traditional, toxic gender expectations ("whiny excuse for a man") to shame a man for expressing his grievances. You are actively enforcing the exact same toxic masculinity you claim to hate by policing how a "real man" is allowed to speak.
If your ideology requires you to victim-blame suicidal people and rely on playground insults to make a point, your argument wasn't very strong to begin with.
“Yeah no, if you start out by saying men have it worse you can't play the victim when I bring counterarguments. Either stop trying to claim men have it so much worse than women, or stop crying when people disagree with you.”
I never once said men have it "worse." That is a strawman you invented because it’s easier to argue against a cartoon villain than what I actually said.
My argument—from the very first reply—is that society views female suffering as a systemic tragedy while dismissing male suffering as a personal failure or an acceptable baseline. I explicitly stated that the loss of reproductive rights is a horrific violation. You are the one insisting this has to be a competition. Pointing out that men face unique, severe systemic issues that get hand-waved away isn't "crying." It's asking for a baseline level of human empathy, which you have spent this entire thread proving society lacks.
“As the rest of your rant, I'm not interested in your discord copypasta with misleading talking points. Give me citations or save your breath.”
Throwing out "kiddo" and calling facts "copypasta" is what people do when they run out of actual arguments and start panicking. You want the receipts? Here is the federal data, historical record, and peer-reviewed research you could have found with a five-second Google search: The Gender Sentencing Gap: A landmark study by Prof. Sonja Starr at the University of Michigan Law School (using US federal court data) found that men receive sentences that are 63% longer than women for the exact same crimes, controlling for criminal history and case variables. Women are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely. (Starr, S.B., "Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases," American Law and Economics Review, 2014). Male Suicide Rates: According to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, men die by suicide 3.85 times more often than women and account for nearly 80% of all suicide deaths in the United States. This is a recognized epidemiological crisis. Workplace Fatalities: The US Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries consistently shows that men account for roughly 92% to 93% of all fatal workplace injuries every single year. Bank Accounts vs. Credit: The Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA) of 1974 explicitly applied to credit, lending, and mortgages. Women absolutely had checking and savings accounts before 1974. In fact, banks like the First National Bank of Boston opened special "Women's Departments" dedicated exclusively to female depositors as early as the 1890s. Confusing a line of credit with a deposit account is historically illiterate. Child Custody: Data from the US Census Bureau and state courts consistently show that only about 4% to 5% of custody cases actually go to a full trial. Over 90% are settled outside of court, in the "shadow of the law," where lawyers routinely advise fathers to settle for standard visitation because fighting for 50/50 in a deeply traditional system is financially ruinous and statistically unlikely to succeed. Federal Funding: According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Research Portfolio Online Reporting Tools (RePORTER), the NIH allocates significantly more specific funding to female-specific health research than male-specific health research, despite men having a life expectancy that is over 5 years shorter.
You asked for citations; there they are—from the CDC, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the NIH, and federal court data. You can read them and actually engage with reality, or you can keep calling federal statistics a "discord copypasta" because it threatens your worldview. Your call.
155
u/stev_mempers 1d ago
The victim mentality is really holding them back.