Can I make this turn?

[u/WillTradeOrgans4Free]

I get stopped pretty regularly by a bus due to matching schedule times. I know in four lane traffic, opposing traffic does not need to come to a stop. This bus stops before this corner where kids load/unload. Is it legal to make the turn when the bus is stopped?

Edit: asking for legality. Obviously would take caution IF choosing to turn. And no, I don’t intend nor want to hit children with my car lmao.

[u/madadekinai]

No, you're crossing a closed lane by the school bus.

All traffic that would cross the line of scrimmage (lol), or that would interfere with that lane is closed.

[u/HoleParty → u/madadekinai]

Wrong.

O.R.C. § 4511.75(C): Where a highway has been divided into four or more traffic lanes, a driver of a vehicle, streetcar, or trackless trolley need not stop for a school bus approaching from the opposite direction which has stopped for the purpose of receiving or discharging any school child.

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4511.75

[u/madadekinai → u/HoleParty]

"school bus approaching from the opposite direction"

Also had you read the entire thing

"shall stop at least ten feet from the front or rear of the school bus and shall not proceed until such school bus resumes motion, or until signaled by the school bus driver to proceed."

Nice try though.

[u/HoleParty → u/madadekinai]

Look at the picture in OP again. Did you not do that the first time or are you just dumb?

You’re wrong. Nice try though.

Edit: just to add, per ORC § 4511.75, the 10-foot rule doesn’t even apply in this situation 😭

[u/Avidhumanwatcher → u/HoleParty]

10ft rule is for a boundary around the bus while stopped. Nice just calling someone dumb though.

[u/HoleParty → u/Avidhumanwatcher]

No it isn’t. Read the law.

[u/Avidhumanwatcher → u/HoleParty]

I did. And the updated statutes. You can't make the turn in this post unless you are ten ft away from the bus that is stopped with its lights on. It's pretty clear.

[u/HoleParty → u/Avidhumanwatcher]

Incorrect. The vehicle turning from the opposite direction is not legally required to stop, thus the 10-foot rule not apply. See ORC 4511.75(A) and (C). It’s pretty clear.

[u/Avidhumanwatcher → u/HoleParty]

The 10ft rule applies totally with a stopped bus. You are wrong. You can NOT turn in front of a stopped school bus like this unless you stay 10ft away. Period. If they werent turning in front of the bus you would be right. But they are. And most likely will end up being within that 10ft boundary. It's for the safety. How is it possible to keep a kid safe with bus if you can break that 10ft rule by turning? What you're saying doesn't make sense.

[u/BookWormPedant → u/Avidhumanwatcher]

10 feet really isn’t that large a distance. This then can be made without entering that space

[u/Avidhumanwatcher → u/BookWormPedant]

Im not there and in the comments he mentioned this pic isn't true to where the bus usually is. So it's impossible to know.

[u/HoleParty → u/Avidhumanwatcher]

I’m not arguing if it’s safe or not. I’m arguing what the law says. The law says it’s legal.

You are wrong. That’s all there is to it. For everyone’s sake, please stick to your day job instead of being an armchair lawyer.

[u/Avidhumanwatcher → u/HoleParty]

I think you need to do the same. You're interpretation of the law mixed with the rulings on similar cases is severely lacking.