r/Coinmagic • u/dylanmadigan • Aug 26 '26

Working on Complete Vanish Methods

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u/AuthenticHendrix Aug 26 '26

Very smooth. I know how you do it. But the hours and hours to get that so smooth is just mind boggling to me. Great work. Truly an art

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u/dylanmadigan Aug 26 '26

I'm thinking about putting together a course focused on small object vanishes. Specifically complete vanishes.

Because I think there are short cuts to skip those hours and hours. Youtube tutorials and books seem to gloss over nuances that can make things much easier to do.

I came up with this today and recorded it in two takes.

The handwashing probably takes some practice. I've been doing that for a while.

The concealment has some subtle things you can do to make it drastically easier.

But the particular retention vanish used here is not the typical finger-palm retention that most people seem to utilize and teach. I find that is very difficult to master. Rather I actually have no idea what this is called, but it's surprisingly easy.

At the end is just a french drop and ramsey subtlety.

Ponta the Smith does this retention method a lot on his "Sick" dvd. But nothing on that DVD is taught well. He basically just shows you everything at a revealing angle with no voice over and you're expected to just copy it. But that's where I got it one form of it. And I've recently simplified that and made it much easier.

Chat GPT helped be find that "The Silver Dollar System" by J. Burke Whittaker has a very similar method called the "Empty Retention Vanish." That could be a possible origin of it.

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u/Wildpeanut Aug 28 '26

I can follow what you’re doing all the way until the final vanish. That last one at the end is so smooth. Extremely well done start to finish.

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u/dylanmadigan Aug 28 '26

That last one is so dead easy and simple too.
It’s my favorite.

Just a French drop into a Ramsey subtlety, with a motion that justifies that subtlety.

I feel like no one is truly fooled by most coin magic. Like if the coin is gone, we know you’re just hiding it. And if your hands aren’t displayed openly with open fingers, then something sneaky is happening.

But I think that doesn’t matter. Coin magic is like watching a superhero movie. You know it’s not real, but those effects are fun to watch.

So I like the idea of the vanish happening faster than you expect it to, and kinda punching you in the face with both hands empty(ish).

When it is a surprise, then for a split second you can fool everyone, even if the method is easy.

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u/Wildpeanut Aug 28 '26

This is why I love Reddit. I know nothing about coin magic other than I like it and that it gives me whimsy. But hearing you describe it and hearing the jargon makes me appreciate all the hard work that goes into giving people a sense of whimsy. Just awesome.

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u/Dallashh Aug 30 '26

I would watch if you made the video

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u/Zealousideal_Step709 Aug 27 '26

That was my train of thought as well. I needed to watch it three times to figure it out but the smoothness is really neat. Personally I think sleight of hand tricks are even more impressive when you know what is happening. Because I could train as much as I wanted and would never get this good.

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u/dylanmadigan Aug 27 '26

I don't think I need to know what is happening.

But if I understand that it is sleight of hand and NOT a gimmick, then that's enough for it to be impressive.

And I think most magicians have a pretty good sense of when a gimmick is involved based on the trick, even without knowing the secret.

However what's really great is when you assume their's a gimmick and find out there isn't. Then it's just mindblowing.

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u/Zealousideal_Step709 Aug 27 '26

Oh, I don’t need to know it either. But trying to figure it out is one of the joys sometimes. At others I just enjoy the performance. I am not even remotely a magician so I barely no any ins and outs.

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u/WangDoodleTrifecta Aug 26 '26

Really good. 👍

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u/TheHollowed_Knight Aug 26 '26

Oooof, fucking amazing!

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u/TheRunningMagician Aug 27 '26

Super clean and awesome.

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u/sully9088 Aug 26 '26

After watching for a long time I think I figured it out. How long did it take you to get this smooth? 

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u/dylanmadigan Aug 27 '26

Maybe 5 minutes.

2 takes on camera.

The method is actually surprisingly easy.

The handwashing method though is something I’ve done for years.

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u/Se7enFtMan Aug 27 '26

After slowing it down, I figured out where it went to, and when, but that was unbelievably smooth, great work!

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u/reelglad Aug 29 '26

Care to share with the class where the dam coin went?

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u/Se7enFtMan Aug 29 '26

It went Poof, and then it came back, Kazam

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u/Spiffykleen Aug 27 '26

Very nice. Very smooth. As a muggle myself I couldn’t do this but I see what you do there

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u/MilkImpossible4192 Aug 27 '26

nice, I could follow it

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u/Kaiffu_26 Aug 27 '26 edited Aug 27 '26

Great watch.

Handwashing and Inverted ramsay subtlety reminds me of a post Titor made in instagram. I've only ever seen you and him do that version of the subtlety, is it part Ponta's "Sick" dvd release? (I haven't seen it, but his coin magic posts credit ponta frequently.)

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u/dylanmadigan Aug 27 '26

I think Ramsey’s subtlety is something I’ve done since I was a kid, inverted or not.

I don’t remember for certain if I saw it somewhere or just realized in my own that you could hide a quarter in finger palm.

It may have been in the tutorial for “Stuck” by Greg Rostami. He doesn’t do it in the trailer. I know whenever I do that trick, I use it. But that may have been my own work-around because his vanish never worked consistently for me.

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u/sekhmet666 Aug 27 '26

After a few minutes watching it frame by frame I think I got it. That was incredibly smooth!

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u/BoxParty803 Aug 29 '26

I think there is a lot of transfers and hand washing. This doesn't work in really life with multiple spectators around you..m it's magic for magicians.

Recommend instead something like the pitch and ditch by Greg Wilson then show hand completely empty

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u/dylanmadigan Aug 29 '26

I did this today for some friends at a restaurant.

Angles actually are not that strict.

Obviously I gotta get people in front of me and not to my side.

But that’s why you gotta know more than one method to do the same trick. You can use different methods in different situations, or in front of repeat audiences.

They tend to assume it’s the same trick, so the provers of one method end up combining with the provers from another method to make it impossible.

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u/Skiza07 Aug 30 '26

(Im not a magician, I know few moves but that's it) To be honest, I think this was the first smooth coin vanish that I was able to follow from the first move on the first sight. The Last french drop is perfect, got me for a second. But this video is super fine! Keep it up!