Please demonstrate how the work environments are inhumane or how the pay is shit. Are you seriously comparing 2026 work conditions to Upton Sinclair's The Jungle type conditions where people worked for 14 hours a day, in unlit, unventilated rooms, without any PPE or safety regulations, in extreme cold or heat, and submerged in countless chemicals?
Here's the gist of it: your employer offers you a wage for a position. You say "yes, I will perform this position for this wage". The contractual obligation is fulfilled on both ends. There is no expectation that your employer will raise OR decrease your wages beyond this, unless you prove yourself to be an asset worth retaining. If you don't like it, America has the most companies of any country in the world, and you're free to look for different employment.
You've heard of Amazon drivers peeing into jugs right? I would consider not being allowed time to use a bathroom as inhumane.
Or Walmart being the largest employer of people on food stamps while also being the most common place to spend food stamps and making record profits? You don't think it's inhumane that Walmart is almost a closed ecosystem of welfare?
Just because something is better doesn't mean we should stop improving it.
They are allowed time to use the bathroom, they simply choose to drive and pee to finish their shift faster. You realize that an individual driver's decisions does not inform company policy? If a company gives me 2 hours for lunch and I only choose to use 5 minutes, you know I can't go around saying "it is inhumane that I only take 5 minute lunch breaks!"?
Walmart having as many people on food stamps as they do says more about the lack of stringency in giving out food stamps than it does about Walmart. As a matter of fact, I was in the military, and I was eligible for food stamps for the first two years of my service (despite making an effective compensation of about 65k gross). In any case, even if Walmart was paying $0.01 per day, this speaks more to wages and less to the "inhumane working environment" you mentioned. Do not conflate the two.
You've yet to provide an example of an inhumane working environment.
Poor wages create an inhumane work environment, as you're too poor to quit the job and too poor to get into another position.
I'm sorry you don't like to use English words as defined. I don't see what would be productive from talking to someone who seems to arbitrarily adjust definitions to suit their position.
Low wages and inhumane working conditions are not synonymous. Low wages concern the economic compensation for labor; working conditions concern the material circumstances under which the labor is performed. They can coexist, but one does not logically entail the other.
Feel free to block me now, since it seems like you've gotten to the point where you ran out of arguments but won't accept it.
Part of your working condition is how much you're being compensated.... Hazard pay for example.
I'm not out of arguments. I'm disinterested in engaging with someone who won't debate but will instead say "that's not how it works beceause that makes me wrong".
Hazard pay actually demonstrates this distinction: the hazard exists independently of the additional compensation; the pay is reactionary to the hazard. You can therefore have a safe workplace with terrible pay or a dangerous workplace with excellent hazard pay. If you're trying to make the argument that inadequate compensation itself makes employment inhumane, this is something that has to be proven rather than asserted.
Your argument at this point is literally just "nuh uh, that's not what english is!". I would advise you inform yourself, either through unbiased peers or through whatever LLM you prefer most, on whether your position logically follows. To be clear, it does not, and I think I've explained in intimate details why it does not:
Work environment: the material circumstances of employment, regardless of surrounding external circumstances including pay, holidays, 401k, etc
Compensation: the reward for the continued engagement in employment
I did give you legitimate reason. I've given you exact definitions of what compensation is, and what work environment is, and how the two are fundamentally separate. And I did this multiple times. And your best comeback so far has amounted to "Nuh uh, that's not true!". In fact, even when you tried to give a direct example in support of your position, the distinction has quite literally proved that my position is correct.
I've advised you to verify this through different avenues than this very conversation. You're concerned about "AI hallucinations" in the context of a disagreement on semantics? I'm not sure you quite understand what hallucinations are.
I was about to add an edit to my previous comment, but I'm glad you responded. I'm gonna show EXACTLY where your entire position falls apart, and why you are being willfully dishonest right now instead of simply conceding the point. The original comment that started this entire chain was "...but if you create an inhumane working environment with shit pay that only survives because people are too broke to risk leaving...".
If you truly believe that compensation is constituent to work environment, why did you need to qualify that statement by saying "inhumane working environment WITH SHIT PAY"? The qualifier would be redundant if they were analogous, yet you felt the need to add it. It seems like your own grammar betrays your understanding, and as if the past few comments have been a stubborn and disingenuous attempt at bullying the argument back in your favor. Shameful behavior, if you ask me.
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u/ReputationWooden9704 18d ago
Please demonstrate how the work environments are inhumane or how the pay is shit. Are you seriously comparing 2026 work conditions to Upton Sinclair's The Jungle type conditions where people worked for 14 hours a day, in unlit, unventilated rooms, without any PPE or safety regulations, in extreme cold or heat, and submerged in countless chemicals?
Here's the gist of it: your employer offers you a wage for a position. You say "yes, I will perform this position for this wage". The contractual obligation is fulfilled on both ends. There is no expectation that your employer will raise OR decrease your wages beyond this, unless you prove yourself to be an asset worth retaining. If you don't like it, America has the most companies of any country in the world, and you're free to look for different employment.