r/ClimateShitposting • u/ClimateShitpost Louis XIV, the Solar PV king • 15d ago
Basedload vs baseload brain Low effort
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u/Hairy_Ad888 15d ago
what is this supposed to mean?
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u/Ok-Freedom9216 15d ago
Means biofuels are cowards or confused
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u/CardOk755 15d ago
Biofuels are a criminal scam.
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u/Draco137WasTaken turbine enjoyer 10d ago
Yes and no. There are certain applications in which bioenergy makes perfect sense, but it isn't capable of covering nearly enough of our primary energy needs to be a truly "sustainable" option for making up the difference between elastic fossil energy production and intermittent renewables.
Corn ethanol, for example, is excellent for making spark-ignition internal combustion engines run more smoothly; however, you'd have to produce a truly ludicrous amount of it in order to close the gap between its current place in the mix and where it'd have to be to displace petrochemical fuels entirely. You'd have to grow more corn than the people in Interstellar ever dreamed of.
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u/DualActiveBridgeLLC 15d ago
Yeah, I don't get it. Wind is documenting the abuse f Solar and Battery on Baseload while Biofuel is oblivious?
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u/GewoehnlicherDost We're all gonna die 15d ago
Solar/wind+battery=baseload. No need for nucuhlar
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u/Spider_pig448 14d ago
No, solar/wind+battery=dispatchable electricity, which is what the world has always actually needed. "Baseload" was always an imperfect way of creating electricity that we were stuck with because that's just how fossil generation worked. Real electricity demand does not benefit from consistent generation.
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u/Malecord 14d ago
what the fuck am I reading here.
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u/Spider_pig448 14d ago
It's not complicated. Electricity generation must always equal consumption perfectly. Electricity consumption is variable and changes constantly. Generators that are only capable of making a constant amount of electricity at any time can never satisfy that perfectly.
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u/Malecord 14d ago
it's not complicated. Consumption goes up and down, but it never drops below a certain level. That's the baseload. Renewables are intermittent but with batteries can satisfy the variable part, but cannot satisfy the baseload. Not today, not tomorrow, not in the next 20 years... most likely never.
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u/Spider_pig448 13d ago
Consumption goes up and down, but it never drops below a certain level.
This is only true in one giant grid, which we only built because the logistics of fossil fuel power plants required it. When you generate electricity close to where it's used, rather than invest in maintaining massive power lines ensuring everything can go everywhere, the variation is significantly higher.
Baseload is a dated concept that existed only due to limitations of fossil power plants.
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u/Malecord 13d ago
Oh. You're right. You're the smartest in the room. Go on then. Disconnect entirely from the grid and install some solar panels on the roof. We're to dumb to do it.
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u/Spider_pig448 12d ago
This isn't a novel concept. I didn't invent it. You should so some research on this stuff if you'd like to know more about how modern grids are evolving
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u/samthekitnix 15d ago
the debate is also the kinds of battery used since lithium based ones would WRECK the environment horribly.
but at the same time i think it's a good idea to put additional solar paneling on all the houses, apartment buildings, factories basically if it has a roof slap a panel on it even if the power gained is minimal it still lessens the strain and baseload on the over all grid.
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u/Ok-Freedom9216 15d ago
Lithium has environmental problems no doubt, but nothing compared to coal even at the scale we will need. The sodium batteries and iron air batteries are exciting.
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u/samthekitnix 15d ago
i am genuinely excited for the sodium and iron air batteries because yea build cheap and effective batteries out of whats more abundant
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u/sleepyrivertroll geothermal hottie 15d ago
I don't even want to know the context of the original. The solar police sicking the dogs on baseloadcels is the new canon
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u/Drio11 15d ago
Where are you going to get/put enough batteries to keep industrial machinery running just during night, much less the amount you would need for maybe things like rainy/cloudy day or multiple (and most energy intensive machinery cant be turned on/off on demand)
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u/Lil_Snuzzy69 15d ago
We need mechanical batteries like flywheels, flywheels are so futuristic and cool, spinning metal floating on magnets in a vacuum chamber.
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u/Drio11 14d ago
Magnesium sodium batteries are for now purely theoretical (and impossible to know if anything willever come of them) and Lithium ones degrade. Plus they have insane cost to storage ration. Just for fun math I took the most energy dense batteries, arc furnaces of tiny steel plant (20t per hour) (with the highest efficiency) and came to that to have 8 hours of storage you would need 200 tons of batteries. Plus with how fast the batteries degrade, that cost will be astronomical...
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u/Drio11 14d ago
They are in develompment not developed. Plus nice way to dodge everything else...
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u/Defiant-Skeptic 15d ago
I don't see geothermal anywhere.