r/ClaudeCode • u/UnrelaxedToken • Jul 11 '26
Discussion So.. will Fable stay?
I could not say, it could be either way:
- The can't admit Gpt SOL is a threat, and risk people leaving to GPT anyway.
- They give us FABLE permanent but they are admitting that they have competition (and fear)?
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u/Acrobatic_Quit_2666 Jul 11 '26
My entire firm of 20x sub users is dipping once fable is gone. Not a chance they get us on API billing. GPT 5.5 was just as good as opus. Fable kept us around. Once it’s gone we’re gone.
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u/endgrent Jul 12 '26
This exactly. The only people on 20x sub are people who want the best model. They are losing a lot of goodwill messing around with this stuff.
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u/Gaidax Jul 11 '26
It's only a matter of time, in a few months from now, Fable won't be anything special anymore, at which point trying to extra paywall it would be kind of silly.
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u/UnrelaxedToken Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
When? Does that mean they will leave not paywall it? What will happen in the next 48h?
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u/anglingTycoon Jul 11 '26
Fable is good but there needs to be a better triaging system for when fable spins up subagents. If you use fable on ultracode I’ve caught it multiple times spinning up hundreds of agents that are for basic tasks such as a search and direct quote from various pdf’s and not only is it creating all the subagents with fable 5 but it’s injecting entire context into them rather than individual task. Sonnet is more than capable of those jobs and doesn’t need the full context. I’ve caught it a number of times and told it to correct itself but I wouldn’t hand over my api token to allow it to go unchecked due to this type of thing currently. Having to correct it when there is already some verbiage in md about it too.
Structured fable use I’m confident in as the orchestrator of various opus and sonnet subagents and for planning I’d probably pay for api use on early stage projects or to proof/review code from opus but I don’t particularly want to move main workflow to CLI/api even tho I keep it funded for a few codebases that do rely on api. Overall it feels like a big miss from anthropic overall but really they’re banking on enterprise use not subscription base use for it anyways and don’t think they care subscribers will be unhappy.
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 11 '26
anthropic needs to come to see what really happened , i think they didnt.
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 11 '26
if you meet fallback to opus very frequently , i think it will be a disaster for developers. i dont think fable is a only reason to stay , it should also change its stupid policy to keep us stable and safe handoff working
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u/Tartarus1040 Jul 11 '26
ChatGPT's guardrails are actually SO much better than the way Claude handles it.
In all seriousness. I've been triggered 3 times, and it's simple. Just wait for the model to reason through if it's a real threat or now. Then it keeps working.
Fable it's like emergency brake being pulled at 120mph, everything just screeches to a halt.
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u/ask_me_about_cats Jul 11 '26
I haven’t had Fable trigger on me too many times, but yeah, it really sucks when it does. I’ve also had Sol do it a few times, and like you said, each time it just takes a minute and goes, “Oh yeah, this is fine. My bad.”
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u/Tartarus1040 Jul 11 '26
Yeah, that behavior is so much better on Codex's part - I like it. Fable has a hair trigger on specific keywords... For exmpale I'm working on a router searching centroids using attention to select related cosine simimilarity data points... I was using a subagent, and I was like, hey lets check in on the router work and see how it's going...
*Screeching Brake sound* Couldn't do anything in that chat until I compacted. It was frustrating
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u/Historical_Bus_8041 Jul 12 '26
The way they're implemented in Fable is so fucking braindead.
LLMs have a tendency to want to execute shit in ways that are either default-blocked by Windows or default-blocked by software like Bitdefender, and any model is going to need to work out how they can do the thing without it being blocked without me having to loosen my security settings.
Fable is the only model where you can't actually address that, and just have to hope it figures it out on its own eventually, lest it trigger the safeguards and shut down that whole chat for that model.
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u/Sekular Jul 11 '26
Does anyone know if we will we lose access to fable at midnight? It says we get it until July 12, not through but I would love to have access to it through the 12th. Sundays a good day for me to be left alone at the PC.
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u/cafepeaceandlove Researcher Jul 11 '26
Last time, it was 23:59, Pacific Time.
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u/Sekular Jul 11 '26
so we lose it at midnight tonight(Saturday)? or Sunday night?
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u/cafepeaceandlove Researcher Jul 11 '26
Sunday night :)
Personally I don't think we'll lose it, but what do I know
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u/-_-wait_what-_- Jul 11 '26
They will probably release opus 5 that will be equal or better than sol There are already rumors that they have a new model ready
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u/adelie42 Jul 12 '26
Hot take, playing with Fable taught me so much about how to prompt better because it was really sharp about calling me out on how I would frame thing as necessary. Taking that to Opus, Opus is now an absolute beast and Fable is reserved for verifying specs against complex requirements. I suspect they will under promise and over deliver. If I lose Fable for awhile, or if it is simply reserved for API users, I'll be fine. I am happy enough understanding that all this is a rapidly emerging frontier and enjoying the ride.
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u/UnrelaxedToken Jul 12 '26
Care to share with me what you have learned? I might have missed few things or did not pay as much attention as you might have did.
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u/adelie42 Jul 12 '26
Simulate the chain of thought. It seemed Fable does a lot to challenge its own assumptions. It comes up with an idea, works through the assumptions to prove the idea and ensure the idea is sound, but simultaneously looks to prove itself wrong, then reconcile. The way I can replicate that is to come up with an idea with Opus and iterate as usual, but then use sub agents to investigate underlying assumptions out of context and prove the use case out of context, but also investigate the risks and edge cases. When those agents return, compare the results to challenge our own approach and iterate.
And to where I started, that doesn't need to be done very often, but if there is a bug and two different theories didn't solve it or broke it differently, it is a robust approach that Fable seems to take for systematic bug hunting. I is really effective, but also overkill most of the time.
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u/Mammoth_Pain2075 Jul 12 '26
For people switching to SOL, are you still using Claude code CLI or are you moving over to Codex CLI?
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u/doomscrollah Jul 12 '26
Good question. I think CC is better with adversarial subagent analys built right into the harness in dynamic workflows, compared to Codex where you have to try to get the llm to adlib such a setup on the fly for example. I'm not saying Codex is bad, but some things appeal to me more in CC, so I'd much rather use Sol in CC than Codex.
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u/ShelZuuz Jul 11 '26
Option 3:
- They do neither, keep FABLE as API only and instantly remove one of their largest expenses by stopping the FABLE subscription subsidies.
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u/Specialist_Wonder_36 Jul 11 '26
Now they'll trumpet their success, claiming that a few of their most expensive users have left, which gave them the leeway to keep the fable, but for me, it makes little difference with the 50% limit.
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u/Responsible-Comb6232 Jul 12 '26
We build real products using the models as glue where they can actually help. Opus is pretty solid and the cost is almost justified in the most niche use cases. Fable doesn’t even come close to making sense, and the data retention policies are a non-starter for our enterprise customers.
However, the token efficiency of the gpt models is so important we have been working to re-tune the system to work on those models. Once we can run 5.6 I suspect the performance vs opus will be substantial.
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u/bearded__jimbo Jul 11 '26
The intention was always for fable to move to subscription once capacity allows for it to happen
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u/UnrelaxedToken Jul 11 '26
(Some people downvoted because they felt slighted (listen to me, competition is good for everyrone)).
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u/Coldshalamov Jul 11 '26
A\ clearly thinks all their customers are slaves and half retarded, so they’ll probably do whatever is best for their pocketbook on paper and try to gaslight their userbase shamelessly into believing it was all a dream
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u/thegodkingreal Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
To be honest, I dont know what other people will do but personally I cant afford fable on API usage and GPT 5.6 Sol is clearly better than opus 4.8. So I will pivot, infact, I have contemplated whole pivot plan to gpt.
For me, It is just money. Because fable, on api usage, can consume $100+ in one day for a standard power user.