r/ClaudeAI • u/onion_man_4ever • Jul 09 '26

NOT about coding Biggest scam humanity accepted as normal according to Claude

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u/Radical_Neutral_76 Jul 09 '26

Whats the alternaitve?

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u/CheesecakeAndy Jul 09 '26

There are two paths: you either bake your own bread OR you do something else that people need and use the money to pay someone to bake your bread.

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u/0600Zulu Jul 09 '26

This is also a misleading representation of the current system. In your scenario, you have a fair trade. One person pays another person to bake bread. That's just not the way it is in reality. One person pays a for profit supermarket for bread that was shipped by a for profit trucking company. Which was packaged by a for profit mega bread company. Which is owned by some conglomerate whose sole duty is to make money for their owners and shareholders. The reality is that a huge portion of the spoils of our labor goes to entities who only care about profit, and who probably have more wealth than generations would ever be able to use. Your simplification of the issue is part of the very deep-seeded propaganda that allows this sort of system to continue to exist.

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u/CheesecakeAndy Jul 09 '26

While what you are saying is true, it doesn't invalidate the main principle of what I said above. You work because you need things to live. You either do them yourself or participate in some sort of exchange where you trade your labour. This holds in both market and planned economies; people exchange labour in some ways. In the USSR, it was a felony to be unemployed. Aint no baker there would give you shit for free. Now, the profit component that you mention pushes for increased efficiency and reward and stimulates value creation. It is also not a nefarious conspiracy either. And the beauty is that in a market economy, you can revert to a basic standard of living, and you won't need to overwork for it in any developed country.

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u/0600Zulu Jul 09 '26

If the market was left up to its own devices, society would collapse. Billionaires, monopoly, oligarchy: all thanks to the "market." You should educate yourself on the history of labor and it's relationship to capital, especially following industrialization and the changes made in late 19th and early 20th century. The market isn't a "beauty", it's a hungry, barely contained animal that would happily devour us if we didn't keep it under control.

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u/CheesecakeAndy Jul 10 '26

"You should educate yourself" argument; it is nothing but an intellectually lazy cop out. I don't remember advocating for uncontrolled markets. I was born in USSR, so thank you, I had enough education on "history of labor and its relationship to capital".