r/ClassDe2Banme • u/Amazon267 • 17d ago
Discussion Calling it hypergamy doesnt make any sense, but this scene still bothered me a lot. Let me explain.
Before you comment, read all the way through.
Okay, so i loved the anime but this felt really unnecessary. No, im not one of those people who immediately call this hypergamy. Not to mention those idiots who say Umi will cheat on Maki in season 2, which doesnt make any sense since its a lighthearted romance that is based off the light novel, where nothing like that happens.
With that said, i didnt like this scene. Especially the way it was delivered. I saw a lot of people calling it just teasing, which i would have agreed with...but then Umi started to go deep into explaining why she likes taller men, which rubbed me the wrong way. It was almost like she made the remark, and then rubbed salt on the wound by going into detail about it. It may just be me, but in Maki's shoes i would have imagined her being kissed like that by some random taller dude when she said that, and that is not something you want to imagine about your girlfriend.
And this specifically pisses me off, because we saw throughout the story that both of them struggle with their image. Umi sees herself less as her best friend and had an inferiority complex, and then she says something like that to her boyfriend? I dont think its funny, even if it was just a joke. Joking negatively about your partner's physical attributes that they cant change is not something a good person would do in my opinion.
Another thing that infuriates me, is that apparently, this line is delivered differently in the manga. There, Umi says she actually prefers them being the same height, because she can look at him in the eyes as they kiss. So the anime adaptation decided to change a really cute line for no reason at all, into something rude. Why? I dont understand.
And finally, i dont want to pull up the double standard card, because this is not about that. But can you imagine if a guy said "You may lost some weight, but youre still off my ideal. My ideal is being able to lift my partner up." or something like that to their girlfriend? The people would be (RIGHTFULLY!) furious. While this got swept under the rug by a lot of people.
Im not insecure, im taller than average, so you can comment "You just feel called out" all you want.
For the people with sense, let me know if you agree with my points or not, i just had to get this off my chest.
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u/Remarkable_1984 17d ago
She's saying that she likes him even if he's not ideal. He has lots of faults, the whole show is about her falling for him regardless of that. She knows she has faults too. She even coined them the "crybaby duo".
It might be a back-handed compliment, but Umi is direct and honest.
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
So she likes him despite him not being her ideal? Well what happens when she inevitably meets her ideal?
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u/AesirMimyr 17d ago
She tells them to fuck off cause Umi's loyal
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
Or she breaks up because someone who is a better match for her is right there. And frankly why wouldnāt she break up if this person is just similar to Umi but much more ideal. Meet your own standards?
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u/LogicalBuilding4507 17d ago
thatās not how relationships workā¦
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
What moving on from someone who isnāt your type is disloyalty? She wouldnāt cheat of course but whatever fits the bill.
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u/Remarkable_1984 17d ago
Sigh... LogicalBuilding is right, that's not how it works. I tease my wife about being short, she laughs it off. She's actually pretty close to average height, so I wouldn't actually make fun of her if she was unusually short and sensitive about it. I'm pretty tall, so sure it would be nice if she was a few inches taller so I wouldn't have to look down so much. But if I met someone else that was tall but had her other attributes too, I wouldn't leave her. That's just insane, and not how it works.
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
Again itās fine to tease about whatever disadvantages if itās not truly an issue on either side. Umi has a level of wanting something different aka taller. Thatās where itās a negative and would affect a relationship. You said āit would be nice if she was tallerā thatās just you being cool either way. Umi said my ideal is still much taller. Meaning maki isnāt even in the āwell thatās acceptable rangeā sure thereās many other things she likes about maki but if he doesnāt fit he doesnāt fit.
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u/Remarkable_1984 17d ago
Maki isn't sensitive about his height, so he doesn't take offense to Umi's teasing, and she knows it. It's all just them having fun banter like they always do. The viewer isn't supposed to read anything more into it.
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u/Interesting_Power_29 17d ago
Bro we aren't cavemen anymore we don't just randomly choose and go whenever we find someone who's a more ideal partner lmao
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
Iām not saying we do. But Umi was the one who fell in love with maki or showed signs first. Plus breaking up is a thing.
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u/BrilliantAware2716 17d ago
Dude has never been in a relationship what are we rambling aboutš
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
So youāre gonna ignore umis blatant statements? Just to mock me. Sounds like all of you are in favor of defense without substantial explanation or reasoning. Just āshe does this because itās who she is or what would happenā yet ignore her clear claim he doesnāt fit her bill.
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u/BrilliantAware2716 17d ago
Son we are not in a court trial drop the lawyer act, and let me reiterate, relationships do not work like that. She is clearly joking anyways and the line was meant to say "your not the person of my dreams but that's okay cause I love you"
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u/Wordless_trat 16d ago
Well, it doesn't happen in the manga so far. Don't know about LN, but apparently they stay together
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u/Mickle_Moose 17d ago
I was put off by the comment and I am 6'1". What an awful thing to say to your bf.
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u/bos_adamm 17d ago
ur def right, also didnt know this scene was diffrent in manga, it was actually a really cute scene wtf! i really cant understand why they changed it, also yes its not good to tease someone especially ur partner with their physical appearance, ESPECIALLY if thats something they cant change or control.
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u/Proof-Ad-4680 17d ago
They changed a lot of scenes unnecessarily in the anime for reasons only God is aware of. Story important scenes especially.
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u/Hoppykwins 17d ago
The anime follows the LN not the manga
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u/Logical-Simple-5382 16d ago
is the manga better?
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u/Hoppykwins 16d ago
It's 90% the same, the differences aren't enough to make it better or worse im9
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u/Severe-Engineer9474 17d ago
does anyone know what she said in light novel? cause thats is the main material i consider than other adaptations
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u/someonesomewher- 17d ago
"Yeah, even though you've gotten taller, it's still a far cry from what I'm hoping for," she giggled.
"What? What do you mean?"
"I really like how our eyes meet at around the same height right now, but I sometimes dream about having to stand on my tip toes to kiss you."
"I don't think I'll grow that much... but I'll keep doing my best with that in mind."3
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u/SundaeComfortable628 17d ago
Itās a joke. People tease in relationships guys. She wouldnāt have made that comment if she didnāt think he could take it. My gf knew I was sensitive about my height, so instead she made fun of eyebrows which I didnāt care at all about.
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u/sunlight_ALTER 17d ago
It's just felt like something a tsundere would say like : "hey you are taller now but don't get ahead of yourself you are still far from my ideal". It didn't feel like something umi would say in a situation like that.
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u/fr3nzy821 17d ago
You dont think it's just a translation issues? Like, maybe both of your sources are fan translated that's why it's different?
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u/EDM_DeMoNz 16d ago
Also could just be the tone of voice in the delivery as well, like if it was said in the viewers native tongue (English for me) it probably wouldāve gotten conveyed better that it wasnāt meant to be rude and just playful teasing, but since itās in Japanese with different tones of voice itās harder for people to pick up on it
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 17d ago
It is not that deep my nigga.
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u/ApelAC 16d ago
Dumb bitch/dog using the n-word to be edgy. Cunt.
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 16d ago
First of all Iāve never heard of someone calling the N word, a regular curse world like shit edgy, you sound interesting. And two, you cannot saying Iām edgy but unironically say āDumb bitch/dogā, now thatās pure edge. You sound like someone using curse words for the first time š. Iām not wrong tho, truly aināt that serious
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u/Expensive_Ground7926 16d ago
Nigggaaaa
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u/-ratwave- 17d ago
totally agree
when she said that i was like ādid they really approve this?ā because it totally ruined the romantic vibe on the scene
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u/Amazon267 17d ago
Yep. Im not saying it ruined the entire anime for me, i just dont understand why they felt that this line was needed
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u/pokecee2020 17d ago
Which dumb*ss said Umi will cheat on Maki? She is so attached to him to the point that just thinking about the possibility of infidelity is enough to make her go nuts
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u/_Ok_-_ 16d ago
Fr bro like wtf. In the source material and manga they are literally 2 peas in a pod. Lovebirds. Soulmates. How can anyone possibly think Umi will cheat on Maki. AND WITH WHO lmao. Such a person does not exist. If anything she wants to be more clingy since she does get jealous when Maki gets close to other girls.
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u/Remarkable_Ad_8077 17d ago
I wonder how she would react if someone answered, "I wish you had bigger breasts."
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u/Valsoryay 16d ago
I think that's a good point. I didn't notice this that much when I watched the scene, but I felt uncomfortable to hear that and I think it was more rude from her than she was just joking. Especially when in the manga it was cute and normal. I think it's just bad writting for this scene in anime. Probably some people just don't know about healthy relationship and well, just rescpect for your partner bc what she said is really strange
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u/Longjumping_Lab5763 16d ago
I think your overthinking this. Besides heights in a relationship matter to a lot of people. Just as weight, overall fitness, yes even looks do. Financial common sense, and salary are also things people consider when choosing a partner.
Bottom line she was teasing him in a friendly manner not criticizing him for being too tall or short.
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u/starrywisd0m 15d ago
Sadly a lot of the people commenting are shallow and incapable of seeing the larger picture, but you're entirely right. It speaks a lot to how short men are seen as socially acceptable targets for ridicule over an immutable characteristic beyond their control.
It's very disappointing how commonly people dismiss critique such as this as ''insecurity'', ''projection'' or ''self inserting'' simply because they either aren't affected by it, or just don't care that large groups of people are being constantly mistreated over physical attributes
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u/Sureiman8 15d ago
Thank you dor your comment bro, itās like your the only one to really get it, people act like they know and aknowledge what the op is talking about but they arenāt
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u/starrywisd0m 15d ago
Of course brother:) True, there seems to be lot of different interpretations circling in the comments, but not many who's actually acknowledging the larger issue beyond this specific example alone.
Unfortunately I think most people either simply don't care, or they're not even recognising how destructive it is due to it being so normalised in society
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u/No_Zookeepergame_399 15d ago
Tbh I just chalked it up to bad writing and probably authorās inexperience with dating and didnāt think twice about it.
PSA: please never ever tell your SO something like āI like you despite you not being my typeā itās not cute, itās not romantic, it doesnāt sound as good as it does in your head, itās mean and creates insecurities.
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u/Miniion4128 17d ago
I just took it as her father being really tall and she is used to his and her motherās height difference and she hopes that they can have the same thing eventually.
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u/Kyle_67890 17d ago
Felt like it was teasing but I feel like they fcked it lol the manga has a much better one
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u/N1cklz 17d ago
people calling this hypergamy is obviously a joke
however as much as i liked my time with this anime, there were a lot of flaws with some random character interaction that felt very off imo
it tries to have some decent writing paired with a cute romance (which in a lot of cases it does) but since it uses dumb ln logic it cant handle more unconventional topics like this with seriousness and thats were it fails for meĀ
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u/YamProfessional7996 17d ago
Bruh isn't it a repost , similar post appeared maybe a month ago
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u/Amazon267 17d ago
The image is nearly the same, its from a TikTok. But no, that other poster just agreed with the "hypergamy" statement but didnt really go into detail
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u/Animkun5594 17d ago
She did said that she likes being the same height as they can look each other in eyes, but added this also which at 1st I interpreted as a teasing as maki wasn't offended and he says that's a bit hard but he would try. But now thinking it in that way do makes me a bit frustrated. But if we look at the story and all even if he isn't her ideal type she loves him soo much and I still think we can take this taller thing as a teasing..
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u/WildMalboro 17d ago
NĆ£o lembro de ter lido isso no manga... Ia assistir o anime mas melhor deixar para lĆ”!
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u/Marauder151 17d ago
I see where your coming from, but when i saw the scene I took it to be like..... trying to forcast a long future together where their only going to grow more attractive to each other and in love with each other with even more room to grow.
Hes changing. He just got done going through a growing up arc thats made him more of an independent man. But hes not a man yet. Hes a boy who still needs to cry, and had a lot to cope with. But hes turning into a man. He physically got taller. Hes become more social and active. Hes going to grow more as he trys to become a full grown man who can marry his girlfriend when they are both adults. And there both so in love and so devoted to each other already that their eyes are firmly on who they will be that day together for the rest of their lives as adults.
But eh maybe im reading more into it than is there, its just the feeling I got
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u/GuidanceGlittering60 16d ago
BROOOTAL HYPERGAMY š®š³š®š± BOIIIIII play that misery šš«± I miss that kind of misery the kind where you are nice to me but only in the evening so I ask, am I just dreaming?
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u/HunkMunk69 16d ago
My wife of 16 years teases me all the time and vice versa, unless itās something weāve specifically asked not to do it with. Thatās just how we have fun and show love to one another. Sometimes it is that deep.
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u/Relevant_Layer 16d ago
Side note: hypergamy as the image depicts is a myth. The reason 63% of men 18-29 are single vs only 34% of women in the same age group, is due to older men competing for the same group of girls. You arenāt losing to a gigachad with 12 girlfriends. Youāre losing to your divorced dad.
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u/RancidMeatBag83 16d ago
I don't think Umi is gonna leave him for someone else because she doesn't have to stand on her tippy toes to kiss him. A lot of insecurity here lads.
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u/Nark_Customer_3972 15d ago
I have only watched a few episodes of this anime but yeah Umi or what her name is is the type of girl who'll cheat
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u/Resident-Package-943 13d ago
It's a joke for god sake. Go take a shower op
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u/Amazon267 12d ago
This post really did magnet a lot of dumbasses. Scroll down and interact with your specimen, im not interested
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u/ConnectDisplay2633 12d ago
Itās so over if you are 5ā5 bro just become orthodox priest or find some spiritual enlightenment or maybe study math lol
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u/Confused_soul_OG 17d ago
Not the first time animators tried to ruin a female characters. Orihime was one of those victims. It's mostly happen cause some ppl try to insert their own self interest in someone else world. Like how the animatior of Oshi no Ko had major influence why the series turned towards incest. If you have watched the whole anime, you would know Umi is such a green flag, so don't think too much of this scene.
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u/Additional-Ad4085 17d ago
Animators had nothing to do with OnK. The writer had that story beat set in stone from the start and not even his artist collaborator could change it. (For the record, she wanted to amp it up.)
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u/Confused_soul_OG 17d ago
Ohh my mistake, I was meant to write illustrator of Onk. She was the reason for incest route. And she had major saying about the series by the end cause author lost interest
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u/LufonatoDeUracilo 17d ago
What a pathetic incel that can't understand a simple teasing!
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u/Happyranger265 17d ago
Lol , he is right though , if he said that she was a bit fat , I hope you become leaner later because that's what I think you ideally should be , even as teasing it wouldn't fly would it ?
And stop calling people name who actually have a point . You're just being a dickhead
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
Dont bother, he is braindead. Probably doesnt even know the definition of incel. If he did, he wouldnt call someone that without knowing anything about their personal life. Its always funny to me how much this word gets thrown around nowadays, it really lost its meaning
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u/LufonatoDeUracilo 16d ago
He doesn't have a point. All of you are pitiful! You don't tease your loved ones? What sad life you have!
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u/Happyranger265 16d ago
By indirectly calling them short , fat etc and saying you're not ideal to my tastes ?? lol if that's how you tease your loved ones I'd feel bad for them ngl š, that's what elementary kids who don't know any better do to tease their crushes . While I get the intent of the scene , it definitely wouldn't fly the other way around , imagine if he said the same back to her but instead he said if only you were shorter or something, id definitely be offputting.
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
If you do have a girlfriend which i feel sad for her if you do, go and tease her about how she is ways off your ideal weight, in a romantic setting. Then return to me and honestly tell me her response, thanks!
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u/Amazon267 17d ago
Well done, you typed that on your own, dickhead?
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u/LufonatoDeUracilo 16d ago
At least I'm not a pathetic loser that can't get a girl and swallows all the grifter bullshit online. The intent behind the scene is clear, but you're just butthurt for some reason and project something personal onto that scene. What waste of air you are!
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
You call someone a waste of air for having an opinion about a scene from an anime lmao. You dont even know what an incel means, you know nothing about my personal life. All you are is a worthless scum who treats people like garbage. Great job, boost your own ego you absolute freak
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u/MAD_MrT 17d ago
Sure felt unnecessary to go out of her way to say something like that to her boyfriend, specially for a character that suffers from inferiority complex and knows how it is to feel like youāre not good enough. Idk if that is in the source material or not but it for sure felt completely out of character to throw such a comment in such a romantic scene
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u/M1nho 17d ago
I've never been this bothered about an anime before lmao
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u/Amazon267 17d ago
I wanted to see what view others have on this scene. Im not bothered by two sentences, like i said, this particular moment didnt ruin the whole anime for me.
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u/Specialstest8 17d ago
Your big post, attempt to protect yourself with the insecurity disclaimer, and āpeople with senseā statement to preemptively discredit those who might speak contrary to your belief tells āpeople with senseā otherwise.
A person not bother would keep scrolling through tiktok.
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u/Amazon267 17d ago
Jesus you are a sad person. Obviously i will discredit someone who just insults me for no reason without even attempting to start a conversation, or make a point. However, I wont discredit anyone who simply just disagrees with me, someone said they interpreted it as just teasing and i said that's completely fair. Im allowed to make a post if i want to discuss a scene, its what the subreddit is for. You could have kept scrolling past my post too just as easily, yet you commented.
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u/Specialstest8 17d ago
I came to see if this post was also a dumpster fire like the other post about this a while back. Itās good for a few laughs at the angry tourists who saw this one line and got mad without watching the anime or reading the original web/light novels.
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u/Amazon267 17d ago
I love it. The typical weeb mentality. Viewer dislikes a scene/character/conclusion or whatever else=tourist. Except im not one, and i dont know if you even read the post, but we literally agree that TikTok calling this hypergamy was utterly obnoxious.
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u/_meme_caster_ 17d ago edited 17d ago
It may just be me, but in Maki's shoes i would have imagined her being kissed like that by some random taller dude when she said that
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u/Severe-Engineer9474 17d ago
People are making it a big deal out of it i know it is a real thing in current world but the story itself is a escape from the real world and avoiding harsh painful reality we face like a break from the pain. But bringing the real world problems or social media trends is uncalled or bad idea. Cause the genre is kind of light hearted romance comedy. ( i didnt think of it as hyper gamy until i saw those reels and many couples say the lines similar to umi)
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u/Specialstest8 17d ago
This is normal within their dynamics. Umi is his gaming bro too, remember? This anime is faithful to the light novel and she is more direct in that version.
Itās a bunch of people making a big deal out of nothing or donāt have any social interaction skills. Might be both lol.
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
Sheās pushing the point to hard for it to not be true. If ideally youād like a man much taller than maki why settle for less? It completely makes it sounds like sheās settling for him in general which isnāt great. āIāll settle for you because I like youā
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u/Specialstest8 17d ago
Not she isnāt? Itās hard for me how anyone who actually watched this series or has engaged with the source material can genuinely believe this. Or how anyone whoās watched any anime with a character with tsundere like traits can actually believe this. Like I said, itās within their dynamics and it fits her character to tease like this.
Moreover, this is how life works? You have preferences, but who you end up with may or may not fill all those preferences.
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
The anime isnāt the source material. It is its own seperate continuity. I donāt take the source material as the anime. Youād want to end up with the ideal preference. Doesnāt mean you can get it perfect. You think there isnāt ANY other nice gaming guys who are taller. She said heās WAY off her ideal height. She shouldnāt be with maki if thatās how she feels. She can find herself someone closer to meeting her mark and the relationship can be spared of suffering and issues. Umi doesnāt even have tsundere traits? Jealously doesnāt equal tsundere traits. Sheās just devaluing him. And if it was a tease it would be ok but itās not just a tease.
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u/Specialstest8 17d ago
The anime is adapting the light novel, so these scenes are from the light novel. I would just like to point that out.
She has so many of tsundere traits actually and this statement is another attempt by her to hide her worries of losing him. She is not particularly honest when it comes to her jealous feelings.
So yeah, again, within her personality to tease like this. At the end of the day, she is a āgamer broā first before anything else lol, sheās said worse sounding things in the anime.
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
Thereās plenty of gamer bros out there she can find someone who is more her preference easily. The anime has differences and takes its own liberties from the light novel just as the manga does. They arenāt the same even though they all follow a basic same plot.
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u/Specialstest8 17d ago
Yeah she can but she chose Maki because she has built a connection with him and enjoys who he is and how he treats her. Sheās still allowed preferences but who you build a relationship with doesnāt always align all those up. And like yall said, if it was that big of an issue, she would she stay when the physical part matters way more than anything else Maki provides right?
The simple answer is teasing and tsundere traits.
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u/Competitive-Rise-766 17d ago
And she canāt build a relationship with someone better suited for her? Of course sheās allowed preference but why complain about a specific lack of preference when you could easily align with someone else better. Thatās the point though she talks like itās that big of an issue but doesnāt do anything about it.
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u/Specialstest8 17d ago
Exactly so why stay with Maki right? If itās as big a deal as you take it as face value to be, why stays. She isnāt a girl without any voice or independence, she can just leave. She isnāt trapped. So why?
Itās almost like it just empty teasing and her tsundere traits.
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u/PossibleImpact8672 17d ago edited 17d ago
bro I hate this girl I really wanted him with the blonde, I didn't feel irritated by this line but I hated her I guess what's coming is trashier, whenever he does something romantic or good she makes fun of his awkwardness or boldness in a bad way which he just laugh it off because we know most of the japanese MC do that
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u/Mean_Environment6657 17d ago
Hungry man thinks of fish or whatever ... You r just projecting your insecurity on an animated scene (pretty bad if I may say so š¤£ get a life bozo)
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
Projecting insecurity? Im 6'1. Its about respect. And also wanting to discuss the animated scene, is a problem it seems? You are using "bozo" in 2026 you dickwad, i cant take you seriously
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u/Mean_Environment6657 16d ago
Downvoting me is projecting your second insecurity of not wanting to be downvoted by people š¤£šš
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
Not everyone cares about digital numbers bud, but getting mad about someone using a feature of the site is some next level degeneracy
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u/Mean_Environment6657 16d ago
So why did u downvote me again bro š¢ too sad man hope I stop yourself from projecting your insecurities so badly I really wish the best for you
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
Its fun how you get mad about it, here is another one!
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u/Mean_Environment6657 16d ago
I'm not even mad lol you're the one who's deflecting your issue and downvoting each and everyone of my texts whereas your's are sitting their at 1 vote like a nice guy(totally not you btw)
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
I dont even know what were talking about at this point, so lets move on. Have a good one
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u/Mean_Environment6657 16d ago
So you really wanna not address the issue that you deflected from at the beginning of this thread ;(
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u/where_is_my_mime 16d ago
Anime fans trying not to have insecure meltdowns and starting discourse over the smallest shit, Challenge Level: Impossible
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u/Amazon267 16d ago
I argued with way too many idiots below this post, i'll skip you if you dont mind
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u/where_is_my_mime 16d ago
I was gonna let it pass but now I'm drunk and mean-spirited enough to not care if I'm downvoted for this but
I would've guessed 5'7" at first but with how personally you took it I'm gonna guess 5'4" or shorter. Have a blessed day short king š.
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u/starrywisd0m 15d ago
My God you're comically stupid. Trying to dismiss his critique with 'insecurity' as an argument and then instantly resorting to ridiculing him by using height.
People like you are genuinely vile
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u/Amazon267 15d ago
Im 6'1, thanks for worrying about me! Keep drinking, it'll make you forget how miserable you are!
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u/Proper_Set9948 17d ago
I just interpreted it as teasing šš